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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident didn't

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it comes right over our head he saw the

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Flying Saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father

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how are you Alejandro I'm doing good how

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you doing out there

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I'm doing pretty good you know it's

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absolutely beautiful in Sochi it's

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tropical where I am staying like there's

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banana trees palm trees all that right

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in the Black Sea and then you drive an

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hour west and you're where they had the

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2014 winter and limit Olympics and I was

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standing on snow you know just hours ago

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and it's absolutely beautiful as the

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caucus mountains

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and you are at where they had the

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Olympics you were totally surrounded by

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mountains it's really really beautiful

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went up on one of those tramps to the

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very top and yeah too bad it was foggy

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but you could see you could still see it

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was just gorgeous yeah that's awesome it

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sounds pretty incredible I mean I've

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seen lots of beach pictures from the

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area yeah that so it's hard to imagine

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and of course the Olympic so it's kind

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of weird that they have that Beach and

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snow so close to each other you have the

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town itself oh is really big I was

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talking to a guy that speaks a little

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bit of English here and he said that

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it's a hundred and forty-five kilometers

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wide and it feels like that

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I mean you you're in the car for like

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ever to go across the you know from

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where you first go through soch you have

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to go to like a place where they check

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your passport and all that when you

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first come into it and that was a good

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hour and a half two hours from the

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centre of town and that's all just

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spread you know right across this

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beautiful landscape in the mountains on

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the Black Sea

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that's way to put it really cool cool

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sounds awesome

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yep and but you can't get to the Black

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you get to any like public beach

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everything else is privately-owned if

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you want to go to a hotel or something

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like that you can get to the beach yeah

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well how is it how are people there

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really friendly here

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uh-huh I think it's just because there's

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a more more Americans come to this part

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staying in so it's uh there's a lot of

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like english-speaking people and a lot

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of the like restaurants they actually

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restaurants is pretty funny McDonald's

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stuff like that but they have where you

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can you'll see the Russian name for

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restaurant and then I'll have the

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English spelling for it below so you

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know they're accepted you know English

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is acceptable here and they don't want

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to kill me like they do in the other

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town good so boots here that's a good

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thing yeah that's what you yea Putin is

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there yah he's at us now he might want

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kill you he might yeah but he's not

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returning any calls and I want to know

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you try calling yeah I wanted to talk to

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him about the way we had to bribe to get

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our dog in at the Munich I mean at the

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Moscow Airport second year in a row oh

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you did oh yeah last time you had to do

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this is it now this is a bribe cost less

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because it's a little dog it - little

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chihuahua

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this happened but you know different

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things said oh this time they said

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you're missing a form and you know we

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very carefully filled out all the right

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forms did everything through the

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Agriculture Department everything that

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did it perfectly and so the form they

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said we were missing that cost $100 to

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let us in it does not exist oh wow yeah

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so you just have to keep that in mind if

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you're traveling here or whatever you

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have to have a little extra money on you

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yeah Pat especially if you're traveling

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with a chihuahua that's right

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deadly chihuahua mm-hmm yeah you met

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peanut I have met pianet I like peanut

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peanut school he's a great dog love that

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dog

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all right so what's going on for UFO

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news this week UFO news so a couple of

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cool stories we have out there I think

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one of them is kind of fun and I think

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it'll be good to you know give your

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listeners a heads up on and this is the

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army chief of staff warning ROTC cadets

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about hybrid armies and little green men

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wild huh it it really is quite a title

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but it's not what it sounds like so and

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this is kind of a you know and hopefully

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the Russians don't catch on to us

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talking about this because this is a

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little critical of them because these

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terms a hybrid army and little green men

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they don't mean like alien-human hybrids

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and little green men are attacking it

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they have to get ready for it what it

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does mean is that these are turn

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that means something else in military

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terms so a hybrid army for instance that

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one's not you can kind of see that more

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of being a term meaning something else

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and what it means our army is kind of

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the non-conventional nature of armies

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these days so for instance you have

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non-state combatants kind of like Isis

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and you have terrorists and so they're

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hybrid because they they're these armies

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that have all of these different

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components one of those components being

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cyber wealth warfare also so that's what

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hybrid armies means when he's warning

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people about hybrid armies little green

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men actually is a term for these

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unacknowledged Russian armies and I'll

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bet you if you ask and maybe you should

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try this I don't know and when if you

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should do this when putting is around

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but ask some of the people in Russia

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there if they think that with the

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Russian army has troops in the Ukraine

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or if they had them in Crimea because

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the Russian government denies that they

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have troops there however the

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international community is well aware

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that they have troops however the troops

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that I have over there do not have

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insignia on their uniforms and they're

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driving unmarked vehicles and they're

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wearing these green uniforms so they're

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called little green men it's a term

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that's more familiar and in fact if you

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if you google it as far as Army's you're

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gonna find other stories out there that

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the news is written about the little

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green men so it's a it is a common

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military term for those guys and so when

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he said they straight up he said you're

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gonna be dealing with terrorists you're

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gonna be dealing with hybrid armies

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little green men tribes all of this

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stuff you know he's very straightforward

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this army general who told these ROTC

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guys this but he wasn't talking about

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aliens at all and the reason this became

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such a big deal or why I'm bringing it

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up is because of course a lot of the UFO

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sites went crazy they assumed an about

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aliens and really for many people I

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can't blame them for you know they're

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kind of weird terms that they would be a

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Dobb

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into military terminology is interesting

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but I mean they even have Wikipedia

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entries order all over it's just

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well-known funny thing is it's just the

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other day I think it was yeah it was

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Friday the Army Times wrote a story

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about how UFO enthusiasts have gone wild

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over these terms and what the general

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has said and they even referenced my

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story at open minds TV to debunk or let

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people know what those terms really mean

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so I got a bit of a kudos from the Army

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Times there but yeah this is kind of

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turned into a funny story and there are

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some you know UFO sites out there who

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are just saying you know it's a

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conspiracy I don't care what you say

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these are he's talking about aliens even

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after all that they still people will

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just hang on to that and you know what I

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wonderful

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we're gonna be hearing about this like a

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year from now same thing you know well

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yeah we're gonna be hearing out about it

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over the next few months I'm sure

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because there are some noted UFO

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researchers who have large follower

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followings who are still sticking to

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this idea that he meant aliens geez what

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can you do huh I almost want you to say

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the names you know well people can go

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find that that yeah and and if you're a

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follower of one of these people you're

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either saying oh man you know that

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person got it wrong or you're saying

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Alejandro has fallen for it he's a

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sucker that you know this other person

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is right and they're the army is talking

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about aliens so hmm

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yeah you know I don't know it's good

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that they referenced you because they're

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trying to keep the story but you know

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yeah I wonder when he said that if he

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had any idea at all that something like

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that would happen I don't think so I

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he's really straightforward and he just

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says you know his whole speech I think

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that these terms are really part of

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their lexicon and

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that you know when they are on their day

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to day discussion talking about things

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you know they're using these terms just

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like we would use the term let's say

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experience or I interviewed you know

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some this guy who works on that and he

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uses the term experiencer someone who

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doesn't know you know this field and

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wouldn't know what the heck is he

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talking about what's an experiencer you

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know but we know what it is and we use

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the term on a regular basis so I think

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he just is so familiar with that term

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and using it everyday in his regular

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talk that at at least at the time it

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eluded him that the civilians in the

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audience and that would read you know or

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hear his comment would have no clue what

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the hell he's talking about and think

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he's talking about aliens so how did

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this get um how did this hit the media

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in the beginning anyway oh it was the

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army times actually the army time wrote

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a story about his talk this is the

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Army's chief of staff I'm not sure if I

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mentioned that who made this speech and

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he was at a university giving a speech

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to ROTC cadets on the 100th anniversary

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of the ROTC and so it was a special

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event where he gave this talk and they

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essentially were writing the story

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straight forward and you know among

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everything that they wrote they wrote

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that he had said you know among the

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things he said it is about how to be

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leaders and some of the threats that or

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things that they're going to be facing

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in the future and so they had this quote

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in there and so it was an army time

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story originally then the video got

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uploaded to YouTube of him saying it and

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it just took off from there well I'm

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assuming that the army didn't use that

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as a title that no they did not in fact

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the original story let me look it up

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actually I've got it right here

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army chief two leaders winning is

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everything in combat so yeah so it was

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just about his talk it really you had to

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actually read the story and I think what

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happened is you know someone read the

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story and tipped off the UFO researcher

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who first you know felt it was aliens

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and stuff and it it's funny cuz now when

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you look at the original story you can

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scroll to the bottom and have a story of

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this general with an alien and that's a

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link to their story about how it set off

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UFO enthusiasts as they put it well

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amazing well we'll watch how that yeah

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unravels well so what else has happening

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what else is happening I you made note

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of a very clear UFO image that Roger

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Marsh from MUFON had posted this was

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from a sighting in Turkey in a town

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called Antalya a town that is not unlike

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the one you're in now it's a beach town

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where kind of a vacation place and there

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was somebody out there and he saw a

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shiny object in the sky said at first he

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thought maybe it was a helium-filled

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metallic balloon but it moved off to the

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north and then it came back and it

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hovered over the sea so he got a few

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shots with his nice kick amaura with a

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zoom lens and you see this metallic

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object so yeah it's kind of some

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interesting pictures he took about six

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pictures and we have links to all of the

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pictures and we have a few of those

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pictures and the zoom in on the object

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in the pictures however some people have

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noted and these pictures are so clear

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that you hardly zoom in when some people

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have noted that it looks like an a like

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a silver egg shaped balloon and if you

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go Google you know

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letters like silver mylar balloons that

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are letter shape they are out there so

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it very well could be the letter a an a

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shaped mylar balloon so something

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actually so here mylar balloons and big

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letters yeah I think it practically

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every letter yeah you know I was

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noticing that and that's I would

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probably say that you're right that's

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probably what it is yeah so I think that

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that's you know a lot of people are

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feeling that's what it is who are typing

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but yeah you can see there's like these

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40 inch letter a balloon which is a

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fairly popular balloon but they have yet

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lots of shiny balloons that are in

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different probably every letter of the

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alphabet but that are so and some of

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them are pretty big you know like three

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four feet long or something yeah back so

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yeah that's probably what this is you

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know it probably is just like a weird

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weather wind pattern or something like

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that yeah you know people don't realize

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you know the wind does at the wind at

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different altitudes the winds go

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different directions that's right so if

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you're a UFO researcher and you go look

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at the wind and it says there was a wind

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you know at five miles an hour to the

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north well that could that's most likely

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ground-level

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you would have to find an almanac or

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something else that shows at different

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levels because you know some you might

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have seen clouds that are blowing in one

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direction and then clouds that are

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higher than that going completely the

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opposite direction

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yessum happens if you're ballooning like

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in a hot-air balloon I just had some

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friends that used to have one and these

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two tell me they used to be able to they

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used to be in competitions and they had

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what they called the hair balloon and

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everybody had to get as close to the

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hair balloon as they could it was just a

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balloon with a long ribbon hanging and

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he that's what they do they go up and

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down until they hit the right wind

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currents to get toward that direction

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it's pretty interesting huh yeah that's

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pretty cool

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not that the winds blow in every single

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direction but there are you know

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different writes here and there yeah

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mm-hmm but anyway it's a great picture

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stupid it's a letter yeah yeah well you

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know most likely that one is a letter

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but another story that we just posted

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yesterday that people should check out

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this is an old famous sighting it's from

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1994 it's during a Michigan UFO flap and

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where there were like three hundred

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witnesses to UFO sightings in the area

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this one in particular was near the town

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of Holland in Ottawa County but this is

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really cool because MUFON Roger Marsh

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posted this but MUFON posted the 911

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operator tapes in a you tube so the

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audio is in this YouTube but Roger wrote

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up a story and we posted it on our site

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it's just called 911 operator tapes

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described 1994 Michigan UFO flap but

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these are really fun you know to hear

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these 911 calls from people calling in

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these UFO sightings from 1994 Wow

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I love those old cases that he keeps

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writing about uh-huh I know it's fun I

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mean so many of these cases are so

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interesting some people complain well

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there's no picture there's no video well

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often the picture Anderson videos are

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not that impressive anyway and a lot of

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the best cases come down to credible

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witness testimonies so yeah I think

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they're really interesting and

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especially if they're in your area or

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they're a case that you're particularly

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interested in in fact we've already had

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at least one person commenting that I

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was there in the area and I remember

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seeing this oh wow

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yes I talked to someone that had it

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pardon me I just got a some just message

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me in the in the message board that I

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sound very nasal II and I do I'm just

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not used to talking the mill the night

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so yeah we are live again anyway well

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yeah so it's what time is it there it is

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3:30 4:00 a.m. it kind of had to get up

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the middle of the night and to do this

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yeah that's right

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yeah yeah and I plan on doing that I'm

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just sure that I'm gonna have better

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internet where I'm at but the other

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weeks mm-hmm so anyway I appreciate

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that's it for the news tonight that's it

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for the news tonight all right or today

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whatever it is today this morning yeah

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well whatever it is wherever you may be

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that's right I've heard that before all

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right man well have a good one all right

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you too all right

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okay so our guests coming up a little

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bit about him he's Ryan Mullah he he's a

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return guest he's been on before he's

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the founder of New Hampshire UFO

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research and he's been studying the UFO

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phenomena in the state of New Hampshire

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and New England for 18 years we're going

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to be talking all about that plus he has

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some new information about Pease Air

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Force Base that was in Newington New

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Hampshire it's a defunct base but I have

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a little bit to say about that myself

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and Ryan's also given a presentation I

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saw him in the Exeter UFO festival at

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the Exeter Town Hall and there's the

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Exeter incident I'm sure you're familiar

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with that that's a great story we'll be

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touching on that a little bit as well

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and he's been on behind the paranormal

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Public Radio this show here and Mac

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Melones x-files and if anyone's ever

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wants to listen to a great show Mac

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Maloney does a great show every week and

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he's on the Dark Matter digital network

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as well a good guy like Mac anyway how

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you doing Ryan

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I'm doing great mine me thanks for

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hanging in while we have have had all

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these technical difficulties no problem

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yeah it's the live show just seems to be

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going in and out I have

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working on it so if you're listening

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live and you can hear me now hang in

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where you have someone trying to

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manually turn on the server it keeps

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going off and on but anyway Ryan how's

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everything going for you now it's

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interesting very interesting can you

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tell the listener that may not have

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heard you before you're your background

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and how you got interested in UFOs sure

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in 1998 I was traveling to New Hampshire

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with a few friends and had a date time

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UFO sighting and that really sparked my

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interest and starting to work into UFOs

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in the state of New Hampshire as well as

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New England and that was really the

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catalyst for me to start doing research

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into UFOs look can you explain that

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sighting sure we we had taken the trip

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to New Hampshire just to do a little

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shopping on like a Sunday afternoon and

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we were returning to Massachusetts where

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I lived at the time on route 13 and we

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were getting close to the mass border

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and basically we were just driving down

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you know an interesting highway sort of

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road and just a bit to the right of our

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car just above the treeline we saw a

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yellow sparkling object that suddenly

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appeared and dropped down into the woods

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off to the right of the road with kind

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of a swinging motion and we stopped the

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car dead in the middle of the road and

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all three of us saw it there's three of

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us in the vehicle and we just kind of

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looked at each other and we're just like

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what was that and you know kind of have

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a quick conversation about and decided

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it probably wasn't a good idea to go

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into the woods and just continued on you

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know to not see Jesus and not know how

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was that so it's funny how someone like

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yourself and same with me you know had a

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sighting that was just kind of like

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unbelievable or mine was

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and kind of like change their lives and

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then other people they it just they're

541
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just not interested it's really quite

542
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:33,650
amazing it really sparked my curiosity

543
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,200
about the whole situation and it sounds

544
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:38,960
like I might have done the same with you

545
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:42,120
it did I agree you know I found it just

546
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:44,730
very fascinating and you know it set me

547
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:47,490
on my journey to start you know I said

548
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:49,320
to myself after I told Jesus is so

549
00:24:53,150 --> 00:24:51,210
fascinating I want to try and understand

550
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:53,160
what I saw so I started looking around

551
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:56,940
for good information on UFOs in New

552
00:25:01,780 --> 00:24:58,890
Hampshire and New England and that kind

553
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:01,790
of started me on my journey of research

554
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:07,290
Wow and and you have lived in new you

555
00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:08,460
said you were driving through New

556
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:10,590
Hampshire but have you lived in New

557
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:15,330
Hampshire a long time about 10 years I

558
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:21,090
see uh-huh and when we first talked you

559
00:25:27,580 --> 00:25:24,170
had uncovered the truth about that great

560
00:25:33,170 --> 00:25:27,590
UFO photo in the clouds in New Hampshire

561
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:33,180
stereopticon view oh yes the alleged

562
00:25:38,060 --> 00:25:36,570
oldest known UFO photo that's right for

563
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:38,070
the person that you were on such a long

564
00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:39,450
time talking about that why don't you

565
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:41,160
why don't you chat about that a little

566
00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:46,050
bit sure well there's a photo that's

567
00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:48,270
been circulating for quite some time or

568
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:52,800
have been on UFO sites and you know

569
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,330
every once in a while people would write

570
00:26:01,820 --> 00:25:57,120
about it what not that was claimed to be

571
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:01,830
the oldest known UFO photo and so I was

572
00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:04,530
always intrigued by it the photo because

573
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,540
it was so old because I believe it was

574
00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:09,000
18 I don't have the date friends I

575
00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:12,300
believe was about 1870 that the photo

576
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:15,180
was taken was very long time was the

577
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:17,190
first expedition to the top of Mount

578
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:21,270
Washington when the photo was taken and

579
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,090
so I just there was a photo that I was

580
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:26,220
always fascinated by and I would look

581
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:28,110
into here and there and you know to kind

582
00:26:32,030 --> 00:26:29,940
of hit a brick wall and kind of leave it

583
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:32,040
alone and go back to it and then

584
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:37,530
eventually I was able to find out the I

585
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,500
came across

586
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:40,720
names of the photographers and then once

587
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:42,010
I had that information

588
00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:44,710
it led me to more information about this

589
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,900
expedition that was at the top of Mount

590
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:49,360
Washington where the photo was taken and

591
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,910
it turned out that two photographers had

592
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:54,130
traveled with the army courts at the top

593
00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:56,980
of Mount Washington to document the

594
00:27:01,770 --> 00:26:59,560
expedition and a series of photos were

595
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:01,780
taken I believe there's about 41 photos

596
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:04,150
that were after the fact that were sold

597
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:06,370
as a set and they were stereoscopic

598
00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:09,400
photos and so basically just through my

599
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:11,830
research I was able to come across the

600
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:14,260
actual photo lives which listed the

601
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:16,270
particular photo that had been claimed

602
00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:20,410
to be a UFO as frost architecture now on

603
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:22,840
the surface of my washing at the top

604
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:26,770
it's so cold and between the cold and

605
00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:28,390
the precipitation there's these ice

606
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:30,790
structures that will just form at the

607
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:35,290
top and so what this photo was was the

608
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:36,760
photographer's taking a photo of these

609
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:41,620
big formations up there so it was not a

610
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,140
UFO and there was actually a book

611
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:46,240
written about the expedition as well and

612
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:48,190
there was a whole chapter devoted to the

613
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:49,900
photography and you know there's

614
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:52,690
obviously no mention of any UFOs or

615
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:54,940
anything in the sky so there was pretty

616
00:28:00,720 --> 00:27:57,250
you know pretty complete evidence that

617
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:00,730
it was just a benign photo of a snow

618
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:03,390
structure with a piece of wood in it

619
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:05,860
whereas most people that claimed the

620
00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:07,780
photo was a UFO claimed it was a cloud

621
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:09,640
in the sky and it was there was a ship

622
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:11,350
but it was really just a piece of wood

623
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:14,470
peeking out of a nice structure you know

624
00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:17,380
it really does look like that I mean it

625
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:19,390
really does look like a UFO I can

626
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,650
understand why people thought that but I

627
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:25,600
mean really to totally jump to the

628
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:29,020
conclusion that it is I mean I guess if

629
00:28:34,290 --> 00:28:31,030
I saw it that I my first thought would

630
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:34,300
be is that wow this has got to be a UFO

631
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:36,610
but I I don't know I'd have to really

632
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,620
look into it before I'd actually write

633
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:40,240
something about it but I guess there's

634
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:44,100
people still claiming that's what it is

635
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:46,900
there's still a few people and you know

636
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:48,460
it's important to mention too that you

637
00:28:52,169 --> 00:28:50,370
know the photo when it was originally

638
00:28:55,379 --> 00:28:52,179
circulated was a heavily

639
00:28:59,340 --> 00:28:55,389
o'clock low res image it wasn't the

640
00:29:00,930 --> 00:28:59,350
actual stereoscopic photograph so when

641
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:00,940
most people looked at it it was very

642
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:02,980
hard to tell exactly what you were

643
00:29:08,609 --> 00:29:06,700
looking at but once the stereo actual

644
00:29:10,529 --> 00:29:08,619
photo because there's a number of them

645
00:29:13,249 --> 00:29:10,539
available you can even sometimes find

646
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:13,259
them on ebay from that particular set

647
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,080
once we got a good high res copy of the

648
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:19,360
actual stereoscopic photo film I believe

649
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:22,450
the New York Public Library you can see

650
00:29:26,609 --> 00:29:24,039
the service of the mountain in the

651
00:29:28,409 --> 00:29:26,619
background you can see clearly

652
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,419
distinctly you can differentiate between

653
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:30,159
the sky and the surface of the mountain

654
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:32,470
so once you're able to look at the

655
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:34,690
stereoscopic photo as opposed to the low

656
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:36,850
ledge crop you know becomes more

657
00:29:44,609 --> 00:29:39,700
apparent yeah right

658
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:44,619
yeah all right so let's I think that is

659
00:29:51,389 --> 00:29:48,399
actually on your blog too isn't it yep

660
00:29:54,749 --> 00:29:51,399
that's on articles right on my blog and

661
00:30:02,629 --> 00:29:54,759
let's talk about that's New Hampshire

662
00:30:10,499 --> 00:30:07,710
research dot blog spot.com okay is the

663
00:30:15,389 --> 00:30:10,509
site and is that an active site that you

664
00:30:17,489 --> 00:30:15,399
keep that you update um I do I haven't

665
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:17,499
updated it much lately I'm actually

666
00:30:22,379 --> 00:30:20,769
working on a newer refurbished site

667
00:30:25,259 --> 00:30:22,389
something a little bit a little bit

668
00:30:27,869 --> 00:30:25,269
better so I've been working on that but

669
00:30:30,509 --> 00:30:27,879
I don't update it very often unless I

670
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:30,519
have a new research article that I post

671
00:30:34,529 --> 00:30:32,740
or there's some new news as far as New

672
00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:34,539
England or in New Hampshire UFOs I'll

673
00:30:38,999 --> 00:30:36,580
you know I'll post that on there but I

674
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:39,009
don't tend to update it on like a weekly

675
00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:40,749
basis it's mainly just a place for

676
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:43,059
whenever I do a new research article

677
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:47,080
I'll post it there uh-huh okay so let's

678
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:51,460
talk about New Hampshire as far as the

679
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:55,360
activity on a scale of population and

680
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:59,200
all that what is the activity like like

681
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:08,170
um do you mean just across time or

682
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:11,250
contemporary yeah and well in general

683
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:16,860
yeah across time sure I mean there's you

684
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:18,570
know New Hampshire has a rich UFO

685
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:22,140
history I mean from 1947 up to present

686
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,780
there there has been a lot of UFO

687
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:27,480
reports and there have been a lot of

688
00:31:35,150 --> 00:31:31,500
very credible UFO reports from police

689
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:35,160
and military witnesses as well as very

690
00:31:42,290 --> 00:31:40,260
credible citizens and local politician

691
00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:42,300
things of that nature so New Hampshire

692
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,060
has had a lot of UFO sightings a lot of

693
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:47,700
credible and fascinating ones over the

694
00:31:53,780 --> 00:31:51,150
last 60 years so I think there's been

695
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:53,790
quite a bit of sightings now I wasn't

696
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:55,860
familiar with the earlier ones like the

697
00:32:02,150 --> 00:31:59,880
47 it was Sur was this when everybody

698
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:02,160
was seeing them you know right after or

699
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:06,590
right around the Roswell time Yeah right

700
00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:08,850
right around the laws of all time

701
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:12,150
surprisingly there was a bunch of UFO

702
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:15,270
sightings in New Hampshire right around

703
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:19,320
the time of Roswell and actually yeah

704
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:21,150
one of which that comes to mind it was

705
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:22,530
actually the governor in New Hampshire

706
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,010
at the time son and a companion and they

707
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:28,380
were both ex-military pilots and they

708
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,010
had a sighting in New Hampshire in the

709
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,500
skies while flying the week of Roswell

710
00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:37,380
so and there's there's been sightings

711
00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:41,040
you know before Roswell but there's been

712
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:42,780
sightings in New Hampshire right back to

713
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:47,670
1947 right up to present well and of

714
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:49,950
course is a Betty hill case Betty and

715
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:52,830
Barney Hill pretty famous as far as New

716
00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:55,650
Hampshire goes and I'm trying to think

717
00:33:02,390 --> 00:32:58,920
of Exeter incident our incident Exeter

718
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:02,400
or whatever it's called that that's

719
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:04,350
probably the top sighting wouldn't you

720
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,770
say yeah Betty and Barney Hill and in

721
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:10,260
the incident eggs are really the two

722
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:12,330
landmark New Hampshire cases those are

723
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:14,070
the ones that you know most people are

724
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:15,750
familiar

725
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:18,670
you know via books and you know movies

726
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:21,130
and pop culture not so much incident

727
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:23,590
eggs that case you know got a lot of

728
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:26,620
notoriety in the 60s around the time

729
00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:29,140
that it happened but you don't

730
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:31,480
necessarily hear it mentioned very often

731
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:37,390
you know in conversations though yeah

732
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,170
but incredible case for the listener who

733
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:44,080
has not heard that can you go ahead and

734
00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:48,630
tell them about the Exeter case sure

735
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,780
well it was September 3rd 1965 and a

736
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:55,840
young man named Norman muscarello was

737
00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:58,990
hitchhiking home he was 18 he had just

738
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:00,490
finished school and he was about to

739
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:03,490
enter the Navy and he was hitchhiking on

740
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:06,010
a back road in kitchens in New Hampshire

741
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:08,679
which is right next to Exeter the actual

742
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:11,260
UFO sighting happened in Kensington but

743
00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:12,880
the case is just called the incident

744
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:16,660
Exeter because that's the biggest town

745
00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:18,310
near where it happened and also the

746
00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:19,630
police that were involved were from

747
00:34:24,630 --> 00:34:22,179
Exeter and so Norman was hitchhiking

748
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,640
home it was late at night around 1:00 or

749
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:26,740
2:00 in the morning and as he was

750
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:29,860
passing a farmhouse he noticed a red

751
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:32,260
object in the sky that started swooping

752
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:35,080
down at him he dove in a ditch next to a

753
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:38,140
wall to take cover and then when and for

754
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,880
instantly Bend on the door of the

755
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:41,919
farmhouse people were home but they

756
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:43,330
wouldn't answer the door because it was

757
00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:45,160
so late and they were probably why is

758
00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:48,220
this guy knocking on our door and so at

759
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:51,460
any rate Norman kind of hunch there

760
00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:53,830
awaited and then saw a car coming down

761
00:34:59,070 --> 00:34:55,990
the road so he jumped out flagged the

762
00:35:02,820 --> 00:34:59,080
car down and had them bring him to the

763
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:02,830
Exeter police station now in another

764
00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:06,040
part of Exeter while that was happening

765
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:09,100
officer Eugene Bertram was on patrol and

766
00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:11,320
he came across a car that was parked on

767
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:14,950
the side of the road and he got out you

768
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:16,540
know to investigate check that out and

769
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:18,130
it turned out there was a woman and her

770
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,930
daughter in the car that were crying and

771
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:21,520
they were distraught and they claimed

772
00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:23,590
that a red object was swooping down at

773
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,640
their vehicle so when Norman came into

774
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:28,720
the police station

775
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:31,240
and said look you know I just saw this

776
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:35,890
object swooping down at me the desk

777
00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:38,440
officer was like wow because he had just

778
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:41,079
gotten word from officer Bertrand about

779
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:42,940
what you know to stop he had made to

780
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:44,200
help the ladies and what they were

781
00:35:50,849 --> 00:35:48,670
saying so the desk officer scratched

782
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:50,859
Toland and eugene Bertrand the the

783
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:53,890
officer they decided that the best thing

784
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:56,230
to do was for Officer Bertrand to go

785
00:36:00,839 --> 00:35:58,210
back out to the field with Norman and

786
00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:00,849
take a look and see if anything you know

787
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:01,660
was still up there

788
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:05,230
so normally an officer Bertrand drove

789
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:07,210
back to the field they walked out into

790
00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:10,030
the field and just a few minutes after

791
00:36:15,329 --> 00:36:12,940
walking onto the field an object came up

792
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:15,339
over the trees over them in the field

793
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:19,750
and according to the officer was

794
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:21,609
approximately a hundred feet over them

795
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:22,810
now

796
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:25,630
officer Bertrand extensively dropped his

797
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:27,310
knee and Drew's revolver but then

798
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:29,849
realized that was kind of a bad idea and

799
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:33,670
Norman froze so officer Bertrand grabbed

800
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,650
Norman they ran back to the cruiser they

801
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:37,839
radioed they saying you know I'm seeing

802
00:36:44,309 --> 00:36:41,890
this thing - as that happened there was

803
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:44,319
another officer David Hunt who was on

804
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:46,569
patrol he heard the call so he's raced

805
00:36:50,579 --> 00:36:49,030
to the scene and him and officer

806
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:50,589
Bertrand stood there and watched this

807
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:53,740
object for a I believe was approximately

808
00:37:01,950 --> 00:36:58,450
eight to ten minutes as it took off in

809
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:01,960
the distance and the object was silent

810
00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:05,920
it cast a red glow across the field and

811
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:11,260
the farmhouse and there was it was red

812
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:13,060
but there was also bright light so they

813
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,060
had a hard time making out the actual

814
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:18,880
form of the craft so that was deciding

815
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:24,280
that they had amazing sighting and let's

816
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:27,550
address the if you anyone is searching

817
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,730
for that incident right now you'll see

818
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:32,800
something like 40-year old case solved

819
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:36,060
exeter incident talks about a refueler

820
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:40,480
it really doesn't match what any of the

821
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:42,520
witnesses were saying but

822
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:44,650
someone writes that it's solved it sure

823
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:48,430
gets a lot of attention it does yes

824
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:51,330
that's an article that was written by

825
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,330
skeptic Joe Nickell and James McGaha

826
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:58,720
both both kind of career skeptics if you

827
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:02,320
yeah you probably call them and they put

828
00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:07,570
that article out in 2011 and I released

829
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,940
a rebuttal article to that which is on

830
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:12,400
my site and you know just to speak a

831
00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:14,530
little bit to that

832
00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:19,120
you know they for their article claiming

833
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:22,120
to solve the Exeter case they had a

834
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:25,900
total of 13 sources ten of which were

835
00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:30,100
UFO books one was a UFO newsletter one

836
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,360
was a UFO article a moment a TV show

837
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:36,400
they really you know they didn't do

838
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:39,610
their research on the case when I did my

839
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:41,470
article my rebuttal article which is on

840
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:43,150
my site and you know I'll kind of point

841
00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:46,540
out some of the main points that point

842
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:48,220
to the fact that you know they really

843
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:52,150
didn't solve the case but like my

844
00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:52,720
rebuttal

845
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,590
I had 26 sources ten of which were Air

846
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Force project Bluebook documents one of

847
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:01,210
which was the congressional hearing

848
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:06,040
number 55 which was in 1966 Congress

849
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:08,290
actually had a hearing on UFOs and the

850
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:13,320
Exeter case was one of the key cases and

851
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:18,160
so my point being is you know I also

852
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:20,350
used Raymond Fowler who's the primary

853
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:22,690
investigator on the Exeter case his

854
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:26,650
hundred page file the Blue Book document

855
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:29,050
so all of these things that I used in my

856
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:30,610
rebuttal to the article these are all

857
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:32,170
things that are available for anybody

858
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:35,710
out there and for some reason these

859
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,480
skeptics that wrote the article they

860
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:39,280
just they didn't access any of this

861
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:41,290
information which is the core

862
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:44,260
information on Exeter is Raymond

863
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:46,120
Fowler's report and the Project Blue

864
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:48,040
Book documents but that's the core of

865
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:50,080
the case so they didn't even bother to

866
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:52,930
access that information when they wrote

867
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:55,330
their rebuttal and they just came to a

868
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:56,210
conclusion

869
00:40:02,410 --> 00:39:58,540
oh it sounds like it was a kc-97

870
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,420
refueling jet and they really didn't

871
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:04,670
offer anything to back up their claim

872
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:06,890
that that's what it was I think is that

873
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:09,260
something like there was one flying that

874
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:12,050
night or something like that yeah no

875
00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:14,690
they did they never provided any proof

876
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:17,780
of that and interestingly enough if you

877
00:40:24,099 --> 00:40:20,510
read the the Blue Book documents on

878
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:24,109
Exeter you know one of the first things

879
00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:27,410
they did was because at the time Pease

880
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:31,460
was a sac nuclear base so this is not

881
00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:33,260
the sort of area where you're going to

882
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:35,180
have you know unknown things flying

883
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,780
around or even military aircraft that

884
00:40:43,089 --> 00:40:41,359
are not accounted for typically so one

885
00:40:45,970 --> 00:40:43,099
of the first things that Bluebook did

886
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:45,980
was MPs was look at you know do we have

887
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:48,710
anything in the area and when J Allen

888
00:40:55,260 --> 00:40:51,950
Hynek got involved even he even asked

889
00:40:58,570 --> 00:40:55,270
that the crew of a plane that was flying

890
00:41:02,800 --> 00:40:58,580
you know somewhere near that time was

891
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:02,810
interrogated and ultimately they didn't

892
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:05,690
provide any information that there was a

893
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:10,130
kc-97 in the area and while Pease could

894
00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:12,320
have had a kc-97 they started phasing

895
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:15,800
those out in 58 for the kc-135 so that

896
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:17,330
you know they weren't even able to prove

897
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:20,210
that there was a kc-97 you know at Pease

898
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:22,190
let alone that there was one fly in that

899
00:41:26,589 --> 00:41:23,990
night you know so that that's the first

900
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:26,599
problem then the other big problems is

901
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:28,670
they also ignored that the two officers

902
00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:31,670
Bertrand and hon officer Bertrand had

903
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:33,560
been in the Air Force have had for years

904
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:37,790
refueling Casey 97 so it's talked about

905
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:39,560
having a witness not only is he a police

906
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:42,170
officer but he was in the Air Force and

907
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:45,020
he refueled kc-97 so he was in a unique

908
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:47,180
position to be able to identify all

909
00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:51,050
sorts of aircraft and officer hunt had

910
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,540
been in the Army Reserves for six years

911
00:41:58,599 --> 00:41:55,280
and both of them have been patrolling

912
00:42:02,620 --> 00:41:58,609
Exeter for quite some time so they were

913
00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:02,630
familiar with the typical air traffic in

914
00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:05,240
the area so you know that was another

915
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:07,400
thing that they they just they didn't

916
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:09,580
they completely ignored

917
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:12,130
you know among other things I can I can

918
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:16,090
mention as well now did you try to post

919
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:18,220
a link to your article or anything like

920
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:24,130
that under their claim no you know I

921
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:26,590
don't tend to do that um you know

922
00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:28,780
whenever I do a research article that

923
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:31,150
kind of counters something somebody else

924
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:33,550
is saying you know people always say oh

925
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:35,350
did you know did you send that over to

926
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:38,080
them and you know I don't I didn't

927
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:42,790
because you know I I'm familiar with the

928
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:44,890
two individuals that wrote it and I just

929
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:46,630
I don't you know I don't know that much

930
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:48,700
constructive dialog would come from it

931
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:52,390
I'm sure they've probably seen me I've

932
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:54,630
never heard any feedback from them but

933
00:42:58,260 --> 00:42:56,860
you know I'm more the sort of person I

934
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,270
like to do the research write up

935
00:43:01,860 --> 00:42:59,920
something and just put it out there and

936
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,870
you know let people make the decision

937
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:02,940
for themselves

938
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:06,040
what do you suppose it is that someone

939
00:43:10,610 --> 00:43:07,750
like them would write something like

940
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:10,620
that without you know just making broad

941
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:15,820
brushstroke claims like that well you

942
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:17,500
know I think what it is is I think when

943
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:21,760
you're a career skeptic you you kind of

944
00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:24,370
you know your job in a way is to kind of

945
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:27,580
poopoo things and if you read the

946
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:31,030
article they basically have like a

947
00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:34,660
brainstorm session decide that oh it's a

948
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:38,470
kc-97 and then they refer to themselves

949
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:42,490
as the Hardy Boys and then they just

950
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:44,710
then they proceed did not show any

951
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:46,600
evidence for what you know what they're

952
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:48,910
claiming so it's you know anyone that

953
00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:50,740
reads the article can tell that it

954
00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:53,950
wasn't really done from a impartial

955
00:43:59,790 --> 00:43:57,070
research standpoint so I think that's

956
00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:59,800
like that you know the big problem you

957
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:01,180
know that's unfortunate though that

958
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:02,980
because anyone that wants to look into

959
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:06,910
that case that's one of the I believe if

960
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:09,340
you googled that incident it's one of

961
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:12,550
the first things that come up I know and

962
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,200
not you know that's why I wrote the

963
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:17,400
article and I also did a presentation

964
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:20,940
for the 50th anniversary to Exeter

965
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,160
basically it was a PowerPoint

966
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:25,500
presentation based on my article showing

967
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:28,920
all the evidence showing the actual Blue

968
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:33,060
Book documents showing all the evidence

969
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:34,890
right up on the screen so everybody can

970
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:37,710
see it to show that you know what what

971
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:39,090
they're saying just doesn't jive with

972
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:42,030
what the Air Force PV Air Force Base and

973
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:45,150
Project Blue Book said so you know I've

974
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:46,710
tried to do my part to get the word out

975
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:48,360
but you're right it is unfortunate that

976
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:52,560
they can just write that article not use

977
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,570
any of the primary sources for the case

978
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,400
that are readily available for free on

979
00:45:00,260 --> 00:44:58,680
the internet and then a lot of people go

980
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:00,270
and read that and they think oh you know

981
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:05,760
it was just the kc-97 oh all right the

982
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,540
Exeter Festival is free it's put on by

983
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:11,460
what is it the Lions Club or something

984
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:14,010
like that um it's the Kiwanis it's

985
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,010
actually not honest read it was it was

986
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,380
free for the first you know three or

987
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:22,140
four years on what they're doing yeah

988
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:25,500
what they're doing now is they they do I

989
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:27,570
mean it's a very good deal and all the

990
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:29,490
money goes they give all the money to

991
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,130
charity so I believe what they're doing

992
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:34,680
this year is there's like an admission

993
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,010
button and it's you know maybe ten

994
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:40,020
dollars I'm not sure but it's for both

995
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:42,690
days so it's um you know it's not bad in

996
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,850
the sense you get a nice memento you get

997
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:46,920
admission for both days and then you

998
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:48,630
know the money or money is going to help

999
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:54,090
kids charity so yeah and you know

1000
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:56,090
there's some pretty good speakers there

1001
00:46:01,790 --> 00:45:59,940
every year that I've seen I like going

1002
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:01,800
there what's up it's a pretty little

1003
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:05,520
town in New Hampshire yeah great I mean

1004
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,480
it's a lot of old brick architecture the

1005
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:12,300
Town Hall is very historic Abraham

1006
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:15,480
Lincoln spoke there and actually the

1007
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:18,030
connection to the case is that the

1008
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:20,190
episode or police station was actually

1009
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,490
in the back of the Town Hall building at

1010
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:25,500
the time when the UFO sighting happened

1011
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:28,650
so the Town Hall actually has a little

1012
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:32,790
significance in the story as well now

1013
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:36,630
there are there any of witnesses still

1014
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:43,800
around from that incident well both the

1015
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,620
officers in Norman have passed away so

1016
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:48,480
as far as the the three primary

1017
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:51,810
witnesses they have passed but there

1018
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,570
were people in the area that saw things

1019
00:46:59,540 --> 00:46:57,000
at night and around the time period that

1020
00:47:01,760 --> 00:46:59,550
are still alive but all of the primary

1021
00:47:04,850 --> 00:47:01,770
people have now passed away Wow

1022
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:04,860
now was this something that occurred at

1023
00:47:12,590 --> 00:47:06,270
another time as while I was at a

1024
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,600
one-time deal yeah or that did anyone

1025
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,940
else you know how you here a lot of

1026
00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:16,980
times look an object will appear you

1027
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:20,580
know several times for some reason did

1028
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:23,460
anything like that happen with this um

1029
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:26,580
well actually the exeter area has had a

1030
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:29,970
big history of that area where it

1031
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:32,190
happened has a big history of UFO

1032
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:36,810
sightings in the 60s and so yes that

1033
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:39,750
area has been a big hop head and so much

1034
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,360
so that john oswald who's one of the one

1035
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:47,160
of the UFO researchers that worked with

1036
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,010
ray fowler in the 60s 70s and 80s in new

1037
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:52,740
hampshire he actually moved to Exeter as

1038
00:48:00,260 --> 00:47:56,940
a young man to them scientists as well

1039
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:00,270
to investigate in research UFOs there

1040
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,530
were so many sightings in that

1041
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,800
particular area at one point that he was

1042
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:06,720
involved with what's called the made our

1043
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,510
project which they set up I believe it

1044
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:12,060
was about 15 electromagnetic sensors

1045
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:16,500
over up in that area in Exeter in

1046
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:19,620
Kensington and worked you know we're

1047
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:22,670
trying to be able to correlate changes

1048
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,410
with these electromagnetic sensors with

1049
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,200
reported UFO sightings so there was

1050
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:30,660
quite a few and it actually just a year

1051
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,330
or so after the Exeter case there was

1052
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:35,520
another big sighting with some of the

1053
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:38,580
same officers involved so yeah there was

1054
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:41,670
a lot going on in that area yeah what

1055
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:47,099
was that sighting about that sighting

1056
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,420
a policeman was downtown checking doors

1057
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,579
as I guess police used to do in the old

1058
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:55,200
days they would go around downtown and

1059
00:49:00,859 --> 00:48:56,910
make sure all the businesses were locked

1060
00:49:03,319 --> 00:49:00,869
and he basically saw in objects in the

1061
00:49:05,989 --> 00:49:03,329
sky dropped significantly almost like

1062
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,999
dropping out of the stars and then it

1063
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:09,119
dropped and then just stopped and was

1064
00:49:15,739 --> 00:49:11,849
hovering then was near some power lines

1065
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,749
and so he called them to base and said

1066
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:17,579
hey can you have somebody come down and

1067
00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:19,650
bring some binoculars I'm looking I've

1068
00:49:24,019 --> 00:49:21,589
got something here I'm looking at and

1069
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:24,029
coincidentally there was a reporter from

1070
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,950
I believe it was the Manchester union

1071
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:28,319
leader that was hanging out at the

1072
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:30,210
police station so a few people went down

1073
00:49:35,749 --> 00:49:32,729
and met this officer and they were able

1074
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:35,759
to observe this object in the distance

1075
00:49:39,579 --> 00:49:38,430
through binoculars and they watched it

1076
00:49:44,269 --> 00:49:39,589
for quite some time

1077
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,279
Wow now the way a bird flies it's about

1078
00:49:49,729 --> 00:49:46,440
10 miles away from Pease Air Force Base

1079
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:49,739
when you say something like that yeah

1080
00:49:56,779 --> 00:49:54,150
that's very close yeah and which will

1081
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:56,789
lead into a topic we're going to talk

1082
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,859
about now Pease Air Force is one of the

1083
00:50:07,459 --> 00:50:04,440
decommissioned air bases is now like a

1084
00:50:11,259 --> 00:50:07,469
park for businesses things like that and

1085
00:50:15,229 --> 00:50:11,269
I'm lived I grew up in the area actually

1086
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,239
lived across the river on a beautiful

1087
00:50:22,279 --> 00:50:18,319
home I was lucky enough to grow up and

1088
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:22,289
that oversaw the whole river and the

1089
00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:25,529
could see the airbase right across from

1090
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:28,469
where I grew up so my sisters and I

1091
00:50:33,019 --> 00:50:30,390
would sit on the hill we'd see weather

1092
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:33,029
balloons and all kinds of stuff over

1093
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:35,369
there and there was something always

1094
00:50:40,099 --> 00:50:37,410
intriguing about Pease there was a lot

1095
00:50:43,759 --> 00:50:40,109
of activity there all the time there was

1096
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:43,769
a crash I remember an F I forget what it

1097
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:46,200
was the jet that crashed there I

1098
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:48,119
remember it clearly the whole house

1099
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:52,170
shook lamp of chandeliers were shaking

1100
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:55,170
back and forth all that oh wow what year

1101
00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:55,559
was that

1102
00:51:00,660 --> 00:50:57,809
I don't know I'm sure you can find it

1103
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:00,670
online but I was just a little

1104
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:05,650
yeah so let's talk about peas you've

1105
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:08,910
uncovered something about UFOs

1106
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:12,220
yeah well it's it's good because it kind

1107
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:15,730
of stems off of the Exeter case so when

1108
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,500
the Exeter case happened in 65 typically

1109
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:22,980
most Air Force bases had a designated

1110
00:51:28,799 --> 00:51:25,930
officer that was a UFO death officer

1111
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:28,809
that would communicate with Project Blue

1112
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:31,900
Book if there was any sightings or

1113
00:51:36,329 --> 00:51:34,150
anything so the almost every base it was

1114
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:36,339
a known thing the basis would have a UFO

1115
00:51:43,019 --> 00:51:40,089
officer but when the Exeter sighting

1116
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:43,029
happened what was odd about it was they

1117
00:51:47,609 --> 00:51:45,430
didn't have a UFO office or at least

1118
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:47,619
they they claimed that they did and what

1119
00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:52,529
they did was is they had they had

1120
00:51:58,740 --> 00:51:54,369
lieutenant Brandt who was the

1121
00:52:01,769 --> 00:51:58,750
information officer and depending for a

1122
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:01,779
major Griffin they were two gentlemen on

1123
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:03,670
the base they were appointed to look

1124
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:07,240
into it so one of the big questions

1125
00:52:13,049 --> 00:52:10,930
after Exeter in the aftermath was does

1126
00:52:16,019 --> 00:52:13,059
Pease have a UFO investigative officer

1127
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,029
because they you know kind of skirted

1128
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,680
whether they had an actual one and

1129
00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:19,680
they'd sent out lieutenant Brennan and

1130
00:52:25,529 --> 00:52:22,119
Griffin

1131
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:25,539
so flash to you know the the peace

1132
00:52:33,509 --> 00:52:28,420
connection while going through Project

1133
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:33,519
Blue Book documents online I just one

1134
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:35,470
day stumbled across a document that was

1135
00:52:40,829 --> 00:52:37,089
a communication between Pease and

1136
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:40,839
Project Blue Book and just looking over

1137
00:52:45,299 --> 00:52:42,250
the document I looked down and I noticed

1138
00:52:49,259 --> 00:52:45,309
that it said who was signed you up full

1139
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:49,269
investigative officer and you know I'd

1140
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:51,730
never seen this as far as anything

1141
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:53,500
pertaining to New Hampshire that sort of

1142
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:55,990
signature and in the document so you

1143
00:53:03,749 --> 00:53:00,160
know I was intrigued by and so basically

1144
00:53:06,509 --> 00:53:03,759
I did a little research and it turns out

1145
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:06,519
that this gentleman who was at the time

1146
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:11,700
he was a major but he retired a colonel

1147
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:14,540
Colonel Frank James junior

1148
00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:17,970
he was pieces UFO investigative officer

1149
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,560
in 1967 so you know being one of the big

1150
00:53:28,310 --> 00:53:25,200
questions after Exeter did they actually

1151
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:28,320
have a UFO investigator appease this is

1152
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,330
the first proof that there was one there

1153
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:32,880
so you know a great find very

1154
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:37,770
fascinating well now I spoke to someone

1155
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:41,370
that was at peace for a long time

1156
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,070
I can't remember he was a captain but I

1157
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:47,460
don't really know if he was when he

1158
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:50,940
first got there but I actually was brave

1159
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:52,350
enough to ask him if he'd ever heard

1160
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,800
anything about UFOs at peace and he said

1161
00:54:00,050 --> 00:53:58,200
well not that I can think of I mean he

1162
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:00,060
sounded like he'd be open to the idea

1163
00:54:06,350 --> 00:54:03,990
but so I'm sure something like that

1164
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:06,360
isn't just another thing that is a

1165
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:08,700
need-to-know type of thing if something

1166
00:54:15,370 --> 00:54:12,260
would occur you would think yeah

1167
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:15,380
definitely and what's interesting is

1168
00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:20,010
about Colonel Jones is that when I

1169
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:21,870
started looking into him and who he was

1170
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:25,800
I mean he first off he was at peace with

1171
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,380
the five-o ninth Bomb Group which is the

1172
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:30,240
most elite Bomb Group that we have they

1173
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:32,250
there's a Bomb Group that dropped the

1174
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:34,230
nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

1175
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:36,870
so this is you know the elite of the

1176
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:40,170
elite nuclear bomber squad so he was a

1177
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:42,930
major and pilot with them at the time so

1178
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:45,570
that carries a lot of weight and then

1179
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:48,690
looking into his history as a pilot he

1180
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:50,190
flew in World War two

1181
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:53,720
he flew in Vietnam he flew in Korea and

1182
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:56,490
he in World War two he flew with the

1183
00:55:02,060 --> 00:54:58,830
360th who was bombing over occupied

1184
00:55:04,550 --> 00:55:02,070
Germany so you know not only was this

1185
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:04,560
gentleman with the 509 a major but he

1186
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:06,510
was a highly decorated pilot who had

1187
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:09,750
flown in three wars so you know just the

1188
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:12,540
stress you know how reputable of a

1189
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:16,260
gentleman he was so you know that makes

1190
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:18,030
it even more interesting just you know

1191
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:20,010
finding out his history and just you

1192
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:21,840
know he wasn't just some you know

1193
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:23,670
private that they had in a desk you know

1194
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:25,590
you may linger and not emailing but

1195
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:25,980
certainly

1196
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:28,530
letters to Bluebook he was actually a

1197
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:33,950
highly decorated pilot Wow interesting

1198
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:38,460
now it's there when you found this

1199
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:43,770
did you also find cases that he was

1200
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:44,490
working on

1201
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:50,250
besides possibly Exeter well the thing

1202
00:55:54,859 --> 00:55:52,470
is we don't you know we don't know for

1203
00:55:58,700 --> 00:55:54,869
sure that he was working on Exeter all

1204
00:56:02,840 --> 00:55:58,710
we do know is that um in 1967 at that

1205
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,850
time he was you know working as the UFO

1206
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,920
investigative officer unfortunately you

1207
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:06,420
know and it's still an ongoing thing

1208
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:07,710
where I'm you know I'm working on

1209
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:09,240
getting more information I've actually

1210
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:12,090
luckily been able to get ahold of his

1211
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:13,800
family so I'm hoping to work with them a

1212
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:16,859
little bit more yeah to fill in the

1213
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:21,450
blanks so so we don't know that he was

1214
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:24,510
necessarily the UFO officer then but we

1215
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:28,080
do know he was in 1967 so we do know

1216
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:35,100
that much Wow twisting you know as I

1217
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,410
said earlier it always seemed very

1218
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,960
intriguing as a kid to look across at

1219
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:42,960
peace do you know what they did they

1220
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:45,210
ever do any aircraft testing or did you

1221
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:49,859
ever look into any of that you know I

1222
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:53,400
don't anything on testing you know I

1223
00:56:57,859 --> 00:56:56,070
just know that you know throughout the

1224
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,869
sixties and the seventies in the

1225
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:00,240
eighties you know it was a very there's

1226
00:57:05,810 --> 00:57:02,700
a soccer nuclear base was very active it

1227
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,820
was used in certain capacities during

1228
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:08,160
certain conflicts and I believe even the

1229
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:11,850
Iraq war so I don't know that I've ever

1230
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:14,910
heard any of actual aircraft testing

1231
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:18,570
there it's been more refueling

1232
00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:19,800
operations

1233
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:23,550
nature

1234
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,190
yeah and it's a 10,000 foot runway it's

1235
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:31,500
one of the places designated for the

1236
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:34,170
back when the shuttle was flying one of

1237
00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:37,350
the places it could land was available

1238
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:39,230
to land

1239
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:41,430
and I don't think there were a lot of

1240
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:44,070
the airbases I had a strip that long I'm

1241
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,910
not sure yeah I don't think so they're

1242
00:57:53,770 --> 00:57:50,400
actually you know they're actually

1243
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:53,780
reviving the the base part a bit there

1244
00:58:00,590 --> 00:57:56,550
they're going to be receiving some new

1245
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:00,600
Boeing refueling planes military feeling

1246
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:03,390
plans and they actually just had to I

1247
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:08,340
believe they had to do some refurbs

1248
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,500
actually be able to fit these new Boeing

1249
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:12,240
Jets that they're getting into the

1250
00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:14,940
hangar so it seems like you know piece

1251
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:16,320
is seeing a little bit of a

1252
00:58:19,850 --> 00:58:18,870
revitalization as far as being a base so

1253
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:19,860
that's pretty interesting

1254
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:22,770
oh wow didn't know that actually I saw

1255
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:25,740
this huge jet last time I went through

1256
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,680
the area I don't know what it was it was

1257
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:30,660
like a big cargo it looked like a cargo

1258
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:33,300
jet or something I've never seen one in

1259
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,330
person only like on you know TV or

1260
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:39,720
something like that so and I was it was

1261
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:42,810
all green you know so definitely

1262
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:46,530
military and I think that clothes back

1263
00:58:57,110 --> 00:58:49,950
in the 80s early eighties something like

1264
00:58:59,630 --> 00:58:57,120
that I believe actually maybe the 90s

1265
00:59:03,320 --> 00:58:59,640
like was 99 you want it kind of teeter

1266
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:03,330
totters back and forth initially they

1267
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,070
were gonna close it completely and then

1268
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:07,740
I think what they did was as they move

1269
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:09,750
some of the bomb groups out of there and

1270
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:12,980
kind of brought it to limited capacity

1271
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:16,200
so yeah there's a whole history with

1272
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:19,310
that as well but yeah believe it was

1273
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:26,130
either early eighties well let's let's

1274
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:28,950
talk about some other intriguing New

1275
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:31,170
England cases that you've looked into

1276
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:35,760
and you know I think of I can't really

1277
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:38,070
think of any right now other than you

1278
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,390
know the ones that we were talking about

1279
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:41,760
earlier Exeter incident

1280
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:43,470
so there's some other ones that you've

1281
00:59:48,650 --> 00:59:46,740
really looked into yeah there's this

1282
00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:48,660
there's a few we can talk I mean there's

1283
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:51,630
plenty of cases because basically would

1284
00:59:53,570 --> 00:59:52,260
I you know

1285
00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:53,580
what I do with the little cheerful

1286
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:57,990
research is you know I go and research

1287
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:00,900
sightings in cases and I go to archives

1288
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:03,900
and use microphones and basically what

1289
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:07,110
I'm trying to do is develop a history

1290
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:11,460
and a timeline of credible UFO sightings

1291
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:14,280
in New Hampshire from 1947 until present

1292
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:17,700
and so there's been a lot of UFO

1293
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:21,510
sightings in New Hampshire just sheer

1294
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,310
volume but some of the other ones I can

1295
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:25,200
talk about probably the next one that

1296
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,700
comes to mind after Exeter which I think

1297
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:32,520
is an amazing case is the Zeller

1298
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:33,330
incident

1299
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:41,010
this is October 15 to 1984 and it

1300
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:42,390
actually took place in Keene New

1301
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:46,410
Hampshire and officer Zeller was out the

1302
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:47,940
police station and he received a call

1303
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:50,940
saying there's something hovering over

1304
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:54,960
her Keene and so he's pretty skeptical

1305
01:01:00,050 --> 01:00:56,910
about it but he had to go check it out

1306
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,060
so he jumped in his cruiser drove down

1307
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:02,160
you know through the city and then took

1308
01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:05,640
a left onto the Route 12 which it's kind

1309
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:08,430
of an interstate road highway type Road

1310
01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:11,160
and as soon as he turned on the road he

1311
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:13,230
saw the car coming towards him veer off

1312
01:01:17,290 --> 01:01:14,970
the road and the people jump out and

1313
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:17,300
they started pointing at the sky so

1314
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,790
officer Zeller pulled over and there was

1315
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:24,000
this object hovering just up in the sky

1316
01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:28,500
about 500 to 700 feet up making no sound

1317
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:31,800
and it was green red and it had like

1318
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:36,360
white pulsating lights so officer Zeller

1319
01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:38,040
and the people just kind of stood there

1320
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:42,300
and observed it and a crowd of about 30

1321
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:44,670
people gathered because people were

1322
01:01:48,110 --> 01:01:46,830
driving this is a pretty busy road so

1323
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:48,120
people were driving by in both

1324
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:49,950
directions and you know obviously saw

1325
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:51,690
the officers cruiser and the people

1326
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:53,220
standing and pointing or looking and

1327
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,050
it's a pretty wide open area there's not

1328
01:01:59,290 --> 01:01:56,880
a lot of trees there so it's actually a

1329
01:02:02,600 --> 01:01:59,300
great place to be observing something

1330
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:02,610
because it is wide open whereas mostly

1331
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:05,940
I'm sure there's a lot of trees so

1332
01:02:10,550 --> 01:02:08,369
at any rate they were observing the

1333
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:10,560
object and finally the officer decided

1334
01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:14,730
he was gonna point his his spotlight on

1335
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:17,550
the object as soon as he pointed the

1336
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:21,450
spotlight on the object it began to move

1337
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:25,880
towards of the cruiser and also descend

1338
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,980
so at that point the people that were

1339
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:31,020
watching got a little bit alarmed and

1340
01:02:34,790 --> 01:02:33,000
apparently started running or running

1341
01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:34,800
you know grab your shotgun and you know

1342
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,619
kind of freaking out and the officer to

1343
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:39,180
Zeller was like you know no I'm just

1344
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:41,250
gonna wait this out and he stood there

1345
01:02:45,859 --> 01:02:43,500
as this thing floated over his cruiser

1346
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:45,869
and you know he shined the light on the

1347
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:48,810
bottom of it tried to figure out what it

1348
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:51,030
was it was a very odd object from his

1349
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:52,800
description it was cream-colored with

1350
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:56,190
blunt ends and as it went over the

1351
01:03:00,200 --> 01:02:58,530
cruiser had made a two-tone hum whereas

1352
01:03:01,819 --> 01:03:00,210
you know prior they hadn't heard any

1353
01:03:04,540 --> 01:03:01,829
noise coming out of it and it just

1354
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:04,550
floated over the cruiser floated by them

1355
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:08,099
went over by the Ramada Inn and it was

1356
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,390
gone Wow amazing and you know

1357
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:14,520
yeah and it's an amazing case too

1358
01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:16,410
because you know with a lot of UFO

1359
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:20,180
sightings there's an there's not often

1360
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,369
news coverage as far as newspaper

1361
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:25,440
articles or even the news coming down

1362
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:27,750
and talking to witnesses and what's

1363
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:29,190
great about this case is there was a

1364
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:30,990
number of good articles written in the

1365
01:03:36,290 --> 01:03:34,020
paper about it you know interviewing

1366
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,300
officer Zeller and you know he always

1367
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,640
was very matter-of-fact you know I'm not

1368
01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:40,680
saying it was a spaceship or a UFO was

1369
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,619
just a flying object that I have no idea

1370
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:45,720
what it was and you know he always stood

1371
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:48,630
by you know that what he saw it wasn't

1372
01:03:55,790 --> 01:03:52,160
it wasn't an airplane or anything else

1373
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:55,800
so and he was also interviewed by The

1374
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:58,560
Evening News right at the spot where of

1375
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:00,900
the sighting and gave a detailed account

1376
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:02,910
so I was able to get that you know for

1377
01:04:07,609 --> 01:04:05,670
my archives as well so you know it's a

1378
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:07,619
great case in the sense that it was a

1379
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,710
police officer multiple witnesses

1380
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:13,200
you know a wide-open area a very

1381
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:16,799
credible officer and there's just a very

1382
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:20,930
intriguing case what year was this again

1383
01:04:29,749 --> 01:04:27,690
October 15 1984 1984 Wow yeah that is I

1384
01:04:31,759 --> 01:04:29,759
always love it when there's police

1385
01:04:35,799 --> 01:04:31,769
officers and I remember having a

1386
01:04:37,849 --> 01:04:35,809
conversation with chef Seth Shostak and

1387
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:37,859
mentioned to him well what about you

1388
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:40,170
know astronauts police officers you know

1389
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:42,089
witnesses like that and he said well

1390
01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:44,190
they're no more a credible witness and

1391
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:45,809
anyone else what makes them any better

1392
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:47,910
through they have training you know

1393
01:04:55,249 --> 01:04:51,420
stuff like that and actually yes most

1394
01:04:57,709 --> 01:04:55,259
astronauts do have training of aircraft

1395
01:05:02,650 --> 01:04:57,719
anyway because they usually I mean there

1396
01:05:05,779 --> 01:05:02,660
are all pilots to begin with I believe

1397
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:05,789
yeah you know I've heard a few skeptics

1398
01:05:11,749 --> 01:05:09,660
say that and you know it always it kind

1399
01:05:13,999 --> 01:05:11,759
of makes me laugh because you know a

1400
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,009
police officer at a job is to observe

1401
01:05:18,529 --> 01:05:16,319
and report to a certain degree so and

1402
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,539
you know and a police officer whether

1403
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:20,400
it's a crime or any incident they have

1404
01:05:24,469 --> 01:05:22,200
to write a detailed report about what

1405
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:24,479
happens so you know I think the idea

1406
01:05:29,329 --> 01:05:26,910
that you know police officers or even an

1407
01:05:32,029 --> 01:05:29,339
astronaut who you know is a great enough

1408
01:05:34,579 --> 01:05:32,039
pilot that they're sent into space I

1409
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:34,589
think you know the idea that someone of

1410
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:36,180
their intelligence and training and

1411
01:05:46,579 --> 01:05:44,779
yeah now when you and you and I have

1412
01:05:50,989 --> 01:05:46,589
chatted on the phone a number of times

1413
01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:50,999
and I've heard you say you you consider

1414
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:54,420
yourself a serious researcher and can

1415
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:57,960
you kind of explain what you do it seems

1416
01:06:02,359 --> 01:05:59,640
like you just were mentioning earlier

1417
01:06:04,459 --> 01:06:02,369
you go way back and you try to get all

1418
01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:04,469
the information you can can you can you

1419
01:06:11,059 --> 01:06:06,950
kind of explain how you do your research

1420
01:06:12,979 --> 01:06:11,069
sure you know when I specified that I

1421
01:06:16,759 --> 01:06:12,989
guess was you know what I was commenting

1422
01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:16,769
on is you know with in ufology or UFO

1423
01:06:21,499 --> 01:06:19,950
research right now you know there's a

1424
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:21,509
lot of people that claim to be

1425
01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:22,970
researchers

1426
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:25,940
or you know these sort of thing and you

1427
01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:27,710
know unfortunately right now there's a

1428
01:06:31,420 --> 01:06:29,360
lot of people out there that you know

1429
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:31,430
they're really not doing much research

1430
01:06:34,810 --> 01:06:33,260
you know they're not going to archives

1431
01:06:39,970 --> 01:06:34,820
they're not sitting in front of a

1432
01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:39,980
microfilm reader they're not specifying

1433
01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:43,700
on this particular aspect of UFOs which

1434
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:45,950
early on that's you know one of the

1435
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:47,660
things that I decided I was going to do

1436
01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:51,770
was focus on New Hampshire specifically

1437
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:53,150
you know also in New England because

1438
01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:56,810
it's my periphery but so that was the

1439
01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:59,720
first thing that I did was have a focus

1440
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:01,400
which i think is a good thing for people

1441
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:04,730
to do in UFO research because there's so

1442
01:07:08,770 --> 01:07:06,650
many different aspects of it and there's

1443
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:08,780
so much stuff going on I think sometimes

1444
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:10,490
if you can just take a little chunk and

1445
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:13,910
focus on it it's a good thing for people

1446
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:15,710
to do like they're staying Gordon in

1447
01:07:21,870 --> 01:07:19,250
Pennsylvania he you know has for decades

1448
01:07:24,580 --> 01:07:21,880
has been kind of the guy down there

1449
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,590
doing awful investigation and research

1450
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:27,200
there's also Ted Phillips who

1451
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:30,430
specializes in landing trees cases so

1452
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:33,530
early on I decided that you know I

1453
01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:35,240
wanted to have a focus and that's why I

1454
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:37,460
decided to focus on one state New

1455
01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:38,650
Hampshire

1456
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:43,580
and so what I as far as explaining how I

1457
01:07:51,340 --> 01:07:47,030
do my research I use a number of

1458
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:51,350
credible sources to find UFO sightings

1459
01:07:58,030 --> 01:07:55,160
and I document those and then I search

1460
01:08:00,580 --> 01:07:58,040
for other sources on those same

1461
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:00,590
sightings whether it be newspaper

1462
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:05,090
articles TV radio credible internet

1463
01:08:12,370 --> 01:08:08,810
sources military or airforce documents

1464
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,380
and that's basically what I do and

1465
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:14,000
sometimes it involves interviewing

1466
01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:17,540
witnesses and then what I do is

1467
01:08:24,250 --> 01:08:20,750
accumulate that information and have

1468
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:24,260
have it stored for people if they need

1469
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:26,900
information they can contact uh-huh

1470
01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:29,330
it'll be on your a lot of the

1471
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:31,220
informations on your blog or most of it

1472
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,600
is right um no not at the time on my

1473
01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:36,880
blog right now I

1474
01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:38,620
research articles that I've written over

1475
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:43,420
the last five years but actually taking

1476
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:45,190
all of the data that I'm talking about

1477
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:46,659
now like all of the hundreds of

1478
01:08:51,419 --> 01:08:48,790
newspaper articles I have in different

1479
01:08:54,329 --> 01:08:51,429
things eventually I am going to put all

1480
01:08:56,579 --> 01:08:54,339
that on a website but that is not up at

1481
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:56,589
this point at this point I put out

1482
01:09:02,160 --> 01:08:59,679
research articles and I'm also available

1483
01:09:05,459 --> 01:09:02,170
if a researcher has a question about a

1484
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:05,469
particular case in the answer they can

1485
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:07,810
cons that mean you know I'll access that

1486
01:09:15,149 --> 01:09:11,460
information to them uh-huh

1487
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:15,159
do you find your source of information

1488
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:17,560
really difficult to access when it comes

1489
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:28,950
luckily I haven't been in too many

1490
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:32,230
positions where you know I've been in

1491
01:09:36,780 --> 01:09:34,750
position where MUFON was you know the

1492
01:09:38,999 --> 01:09:36,790
only person that had something and I had

1493
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:39,009
to ask but you know in my experience

1494
01:09:46,919 --> 01:09:43,150
just kind of watching doof on and just

1495
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:46,929
you know it seems like there's a bit of

1496
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:49,060
a you know there's a bit of a conflict

1497
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:52,120
between their mission statement and what

1498
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:54,250
actually happens and and what I mean by

1499
01:09:59,820 --> 01:09:57,250
that is paraphrasing but you know in

1500
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,830
their mission seem and it says something

1501
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:01,600
to the effect of research gather

1502
01:10:07,169 --> 01:10:04,780
information on UFOs to give to

1503
01:10:09,419 --> 01:10:07,179
researchers worldwide and it's something

1504
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:09,429
to that effect and you know over the

1505
01:10:13,649 --> 01:10:11,770
past you know five ten years many

1506
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,659
researchers have talked about trying to

1507
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:16,239
request files from MUFON on particular

1508
01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:19,570
cases for their research and they've hit

1509
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:22,360
brick walls and you know there's all

1510
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:24,280
these kind of a different reason given

1511
01:10:29,010 --> 01:10:27,370
for why you know they won't hand over

1512
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:29,020
the files whether it be they're not

1513
01:10:34,169 --> 01:10:31,630
scanned there's confidentiality reasons

1514
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:34,179
as there's been different reasons that

1515
01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:37,449
I've heard so I've never had to too much

1516
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:39,580
issue because I've been lucky enough in

1517
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:43,150
the cases that I've worked on I've been

1518
01:10:48,270 --> 01:10:44,830
able to get the information I need

1519
01:10:50,729 --> 01:10:48,280
without having to really go to them but

1520
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,739
you know I just think that a lot of

1521
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:52,480
people seem to be having trouble getting

1522
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:54,340
you know old reports or things for their

1523
01:11:00,510 --> 01:10:56,890
research and so you know that's really

1524
01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:00,520
all I can comment on it yeah sure I

1525
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:03,340
understand you know there's this

1526
01:11:08,459 --> 01:11:06,550
controversy a lot of times that you know

1527
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:08,469
a lot of people have brought up on this

1528
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:11,920
show as far as being able to access

1529
01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:14,100
files and not being able to get to

1530
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:16,780
people unless you're on the inside that

1531
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:18,250
part of the star team or something like

1532
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:18,760
that

1533
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:21,820
I'm not able to access information which

1534
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,430
I I understand as far as keeping the

1535
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:28,960
witnesses anonymous I truly do

1536
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:31,180
understand that because it gives them a

1537
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:35,500
safe haven to report but also the one

1538
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:38,880
thing that say Chris Lambright mentioned

1539
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:43,510
was that he wanted a case he was

1540
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:47,070
investigating he wanted them to give the

1541
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:49,810
person that made the report his

1542
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:52,090
information if they wanted to contact

1543
01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:57,489
him and they won't do that so yeah it's

1544
01:12:04,229 --> 01:11:59,710
kind of a gray area but I some of it I

1545
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:04,239
understand yeah because obviously

1546
01:12:09,060 --> 01:12:07,090
convinced confidentiality is a concern

1547
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:09,070
you know if someone gave them a report

1548
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:10,870
and didn't you know want it to be

1549
01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:11,500
confidential

1550
01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:14,260
I think move on obviously has to honor

1551
01:12:19,229 --> 01:12:17,560
that but with a lot of you know the like

1552
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:19,239
I guess from my point view like a lot of

1553
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:21,310
the cases if I were to contact MUFON

1554
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:23,920
about these would be cases from like 60

1555
01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:30,790
you know 70s 80s 90s and so in a lot of

1556
01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:32,350
cases I mean a lot of people have passed

1557
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:34,750
away but on top of that they also can

1558
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:43,860
and you know for the researcher and then

1559
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,790
so you know there's ways around that so

1560
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:47,920
it's tough to really tell I mean the

1561
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:49,420
best part you know I know you said you

1562
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:51,250
had Jane House in on and you may have

1563
01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:53,080
asked him that I mean the best people to

1564
01:12:57,570 --> 01:12:55,270
really ask is move on you know because I

1565
01:13:00,180 --> 01:12:57,580
I really don't know I mean I don't know

1566
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:00,190
whether they're if it's confidentiality

1567
01:13:03,609 --> 01:13:01,010
or

1568
01:13:05,259 --> 01:13:03,619
a proprietary thing where you know they

1569
01:13:06,879 --> 01:13:05,269
want to just kind of keep the goodies

1570
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:06,889
for themselves and you I really don't

1571
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:10,190
know you know I'm so you know it's

1572
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:12,590
difficult to kind of figure that out why

1573
01:13:19,870 --> 01:13:15,590
they're keeping everything so close yeah

1574
01:13:23,229 --> 01:13:19,880
yeah there's there's also conspiracies

1575
01:13:25,629 --> 01:13:23,239
you hear I'm sure you hear that a lot

1576
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:25,639
CIA infiltration or they want to hold

1577
01:13:30,970 --> 01:13:27,380
them you know for themselves you hear

1578
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:30,980
all that stuff but I don't personally

1579
01:13:36,990 --> 01:13:33,170
think that that's the case as far as

1580
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:37,000
right now you know possibly in the past

1581
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:42,650
there's some actually we had Stan I'm

1582
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,050
sorry race Stanford mentioned some

1583
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,400
first-hand account he actually

1584
01:13:53,379 --> 01:13:49,760
confronted Jan Tarzan when Tarzan was on

1585
01:13:56,169 --> 01:13:53,389
about a situation he knew about but I

1586
01:13:59,020 --> 01:13:56,179
don't know now what about Peter

1587
01:14:01,770 --> 01:13:59,030
Davenport's site does he does he make

1588
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:01,780
his things readily available do you know

1589
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:07,670
yeah Peter Davenport he you know takes

1590
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:12,110
calls about UFOs planes and I think I

1591
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:13,610
haven't been on there in a little bit

1592
01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:17,030
but typically the last time was on there

1593
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:19,070
he'll kind of I don't know that he's

1594
01:14:24,009 --> 01:14:21,409
posting things like up-to-date like

1595
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:24,019
daily but I believe maybe once every few

1596
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:26,840
weeks or so he will put up the sightings

1597
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:28,250
that he's had for all the different

1598
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,550
states and so you know you can go there

1599
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:33,199
and just look specifically under New

1600
01:14:38,379 --> 01:14:36,170
Hampshire wherever you want so I don't

1601
01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:38,389
know that it's added real-time like day

1602
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:40,820
to day but I believe he updates it you

1603
01:14:46,959 --> 01:14:43,010
know every few weeks or a month I

1604
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:46,969
believe yeah I heard him say recently

1605
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:49,400
that he's really frustrated I'm now

1606
01:14:54,430 --> 01:14:51,460
here's this guy taking all these calls

1607
01:14:58,319 --> 01:14:54,440
doing all this work mostly on his own I

1608
01:15:03,040 --> 01:14:58,329
mean real dedication and he's getting

1609
01:15:05,049 --> 01:15:03,050
prank calls constantly and I think that

1610
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:05,059
it's probably I mean it sounds like it

1611
01:15:09,609 --> 01:15:06,980
would be only one person doing there may

1612
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:09,619
be a few people doing it but he said

1613
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,409
that he had over 45 prank calls in one

1614
01:15:16,990 --> 01:15:14,880
afternoon which is really wearing

1615
01:15:19,459 --> 01:15:17,000
so I was trying to figure out a way to

1616
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:19,469
change the hotline so he doesn't have to

1617
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:22,520
deal with that and hopefully he won't

1618
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:27,000
shut it down totally yeah no I mean

1619
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:29,400
that's unfortunate I have heard him on

1620
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,770
shows you know saying that he has to you

1621
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:33,360
know deal with that and that's

1622
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:38,100
unfortunate because you know besides

1623
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:40,530
MUFON who takes reports national UFO

1624
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:42,780
Reporting Center is the only other place

1625
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:45,510
online that really fields and posts

1626
01:15:51,919 --> 01:15:48,840
about UFO sightings so it's unfortunate

1627
01:15:55,220 --> 01:15:51,929
to hear that these people are given in

1628
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:55,230
trouble yeah I wrote them the other day

1629
01:16:00,800 --> 01:15:57,690
because there's a way to block prank

1630
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:00,810
calls from playing prank call services

1631
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:02,250
they actually have services can you

1632
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:05,850
believe that Wow it's like I think

1633
01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:07,590
there's like 12 of them and you can

1634
01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:10,670
block your number from the services and

1635
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:13,560
but I don't know why anyone would even

1636
01:16:20,629 --> 01:16:15,480
create a service for prank calls

1637
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:20,639
that's silly anyway we're on topic let's

1638
01:16:29,629 --> 01:16:24,540
that last the UFO case you mentioned was

1639
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:29,639
really interesting and I had someone

1640
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,530
mentioned a case to me and perhaps

1641
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:34,080
you're aware of it it was either in 76

1642
01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:36,780
or 79 it was in New England in

1643
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:38,790
Massachusetts and it was a triangle

1644
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:42,300
sighting and it hit the papers this girl

1645
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:44,489
explained it to me that someone I know

1646
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,239
outside of the UFO topic she actually

1647
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:51,120
the secretary had an auction gallery I

1648
01:16:58,209 --> 01:16:55,409
was at and she said that she was with

1649
01:17:02,930 --> 01:16:58,219
her aunt I think in someone else and

1650
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:02,940
they saw this triangle in the road over

1651
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:04,980
them and the aunt got out of the car and

1652
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:06,540
she's like yelling get back in get back

1653
01:17:12,830 --> 01:17:10,380
in and just stopped over their car and

1654
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:12,840
basically when they moved it moved and

1655
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:15,000
then it shot off she said it shot off

1656
01:17:20,890 --> 01:17:17,219
really fast she couldn't remember if it

1657
01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:20,900
was 76 or and you know exactly in that

1658
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:25,590
time but she did say that it was in the

1659
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:27,179
newspaper the next day because other

1660
01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:28,440
people saw it

1661
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:30,120
you familiar with the triangle from the

1662
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:34,710
70s I am now I you know I can't be sure

1663
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:37,020
with that little amount of info but

1664
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:42,449
there was one from 79 that involves a

1665
01:17:49,459 --> 01:17:46,530
triangular shaped object and so there

1666
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:49,469
very well may be that doc case I believe

1667
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:55,370
I believe it was May of 79 April maybe

1668
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:58,620
so yeah there was that that time period

1669
01:18:02,450 --> 01:17:59,880
if it's the same time there it's

1670
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:02,460
interesting because the case I'm

1671
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:04,260
thinking of there was actually two

1672
01:18:14,110 --> 01:18:09,000
Boston radio personalities who were

1673
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:14,120
driving and saw this large object and

1674
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:17,219
some people described this triangle some

1675
01:18:20,959 --> 01:18:18,690
of the reports are almost like a

1676
01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:20,969
baseball diamond almost like home plate

1677
01:18:26,150 --> 01:18:22,860
where it's triangle yes one and then

1678
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:26,160
squared in the back and so these two

1679
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:29,310
guys radio guys saw this thing and

1680
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:30,690
they're just like you know what what is

1681
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:33,600
that and so they didn't say anything and

1682
01:18:38,930 --> 01:18:35,850
then they started hearing reports the

1683
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:38,940
next day so then they decided hey we

1684
01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:40,290
should probably come forward and say

1685
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:44,100
where we saw and so that was actually

1686
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:46,620
there's actually a news piece on YouTube

1687
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:49,050
about that there's a video about that I

1688
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:50,820
could send over if you want to link to

1689
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:52,980
where they're interviewed about it and

1690
01:18:58,670 --> 01:18:55,020
they were actually part of a documentary

1691
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:58,680
that was done and now I'm probably going

1692
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:01,739
to forget the name but there's a

1693
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:03,630
specific area in Massachusetts that's

1694
01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:06,449
had a lot of you know UFO sightings and

1695
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:07,590
paranormal things so there's a

1696
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,770
particular triangle Bridgewater onto

1697
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:13,020
something the Bridgewater triangle yes

1698
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:14,610
so this sighting that I'm thinking of

1699
01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:16,590
what the triangle object was covered in

1700
01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:17,820
that documentary the Bridgewater

1701
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:22,920
triangle yeah yeah that's I had Aaron

1702
01:19:30,979 --> 01:19:26,820
Turner member's name on that did that

1703
01:19:32,639 --> 01:19:30,989
documentary and yeah it's a very very

1704
01:19:37,409 --> 01:19:32,649
interesting area

1705
01:19:41,939 --> 01:19:37,419
you know I wore that shirt t-shirt he

1706
01:19:44,339 --> 01:19:41,949
gave me somewhere and since someone

1707
01:19:46,169 --> 01:19:44,349
stopped me and all said all about that

1708
01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:46,179
and I was I was like hottest out of

1709
01:19:58,699 --> 01:19:48,369
state so it's so instead of quite a

1710
01:20:03,449 --> 01:20:01,739
it's kind of an obscure you know saying

1711
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:03,459
the the Bridgewater triangle so they

1712
01:20:13,739 --> 01:20:05,050
have somebody out of state recognized

1713
01:20:27,619 --> 01:20:13,749
Anderson distorted yeah your audio just

1714
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:27,629
one a little distorted on me until this

1715
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:32,169
there's honestly can you talk about some

1716
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:37,050
other faces sure another great case that

1717
01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:40,090
that involves a police officer from New

1718
01:20:47,939 --> 01:20:42,550
Hampshire that I've looked into a little

1719
01:20:51,779 --> 01:20:47,949
bit is it was October 31st 1983 which is

1720
01:20:55,649 --> 01:20:51,789
Halloween so this particular case was in

1721
01:20:58,399 --> 01:20:55,659
Rochester New Hampshire and basically

1722
01:21:02,459 --> 01:20:58,409
what happened was a police officer

1723
01:21:05,219 --> 01:21:02,469
spotted an object hovering in the sky

1724
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:05,229
and so he took notice and he drove over

1725
01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:07,689
to the local drive-in and was observing

1726
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:10,840
the objects he shined his light at the

1727
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:13,689
object and when he shined the light of

1728
01:21:17,459 --> 01:21:15,489
the object the object supposedly darted

1729
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:17,469
across the sky and changed his position

1730
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:21,070
quickly and then took off and then there

1731
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:25,360
was also a local town councilor or

1732
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:27,010
someone with the local town government

1733
01:21:32,609 --> 01:21:29,260
that also phoned in a report and then

1734
01:21:36,919 --> 01:21:32,619
there was four or five other individual

1735
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:36,929
civilian reports of a UFO that night and

1736
01:21:45,299 --> 01:21:42,129
on top of all that the power went out in

1737
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:45,309
the area that this UFO was spotted that

1738
01:21:49,410 --> 01:21:47,370
particular night

1739
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:49,420
so that that one's very interesting

1740
01:21:54,180 --> 01:21:52,330
because you know the officer was

1741
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:54,190
observing the object he shined a light

1742
01:21:59,640 --> 01:21:55,980
he seemed to think the object was

1743
01:22:02,100 --> 01:21:59,650
reacting to his life there was a bunch

1744
01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:02,110
of independent local citizen witnesses

1745
01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:05,470
and so you know it's a pretty compelling

1746
01:22:09,930 --> 01:22:07,540
case and you know with that one it gets

1747
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,940
murky because you know one one of the

1748
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:12,400
things that in New Hampshire when there

1749
01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:17,350
is a UFO sighting air operations

1750
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:21,790
frumpies often when these UFO sightings

1751
01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:23,770
are discussed in the papers are often

1752
01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:26,740
those are what are you know used as an

1753
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:29,740
explanation now I mean a very and very

1754
01:22:34,980 --> 01:22:32,230
well could be that but in this

1755
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:34,990
particular case the police officer as

1756
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:37,630
well as the citizen witnesses were very

1757
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:40,150
adamant that whatever they were seeing

1758
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:42,550
did not appear to be in military craft

1759
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:44,350
and it was very low and it was

1760
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:47,170
odd-shaped and it was you know moving

1761
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:50,290
not not like a typical craft so that

1762
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:51,490
one's interesting where you have a

1763
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:53,500
police officer written issue of citizen

1764
01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:55,420
witnesses and then you have the power

1765
01:23:00,150 --> 01:22:58,030
outage in that area which it wasn't

1766
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:00,160
explained so that one's pretty

1767
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:03,730
interesting as well Wow sounds like my

1768
01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:08,050
audio might be back so it's really

1769
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:10,990
interesting that there's two cases

1770
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:14,560
you're talking about where an officer or

1771
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:18,400
someone put a flashlight toward a craft

1772
01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:21,340
or whatever it was and it reacted in the

1773
01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:25,060
same thing as for the allagash case up

1774
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:30,600
in Maine where charlie faults said he

1775
01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:34,000
flashed his light pack you know

1776
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:37,390
flickered it at the craft and then it

1777
01:23:41,580 --> 01:23:39,090
came after them in the rest is history

1778
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:41,590
that was an incredible case have you

1779
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:46,210
ever looked into that one I you know

1780
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:48,460
being being a fan of Raymond Fowler and

1781
01:23:58,209 --> 01:23:57,090
his work it seems like it's ongoing to

1782
01:24:01,439 --> 01:23:58,219
you

1783
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:01,449
there's things happening to those those

1784
01:24:07,630 --> 01:24:05,840
four guys still to this day which is

1785
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:07,640
well pretty amazing

1786
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:09,650
just like the whole thing has changed

1787
01:24:14,290 --> 01:24:11,870
their lives and that's such an

1788
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:14,300
incredible case for the person who

1789
01:24:20,979 --> 01:24:16,730
hasn't heard that it was what was that

1790
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:20,989
and it's 79 or something like that Du

1791
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:25,489
Bois right yeah that might have may have

1792
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:27,530
the time off but basically four people

1793
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:29,810
were up in the gala cache which is a

1794
01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:30,770
series of

1795
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:35,150
chain lakes connected by streams and

1796
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:38,480
things like that yeah it's just an

1797
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:41,449
incredible case I really encouraged the

1798
01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:43,460
listener who has not heard about it just

1799
01:24:51,820 --> 01:24:46,070
google it and check it out

1800
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:51,830
they basically forgot everything for

1801
01:24:55,660 --> 01:24:53,690
about ten years I think it was and the

1802
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:55,670
whole thing came back to them and the

1803
01:25:00,880 --> 01:24:58,370
one thing that they all remembered right

1804
01:25:03,340 --> 01:25:00,890
off when they got back from their canoe

1805
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:03,350
trip that the fire had died down which

1806
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:06,380
was an impossibility you know and that

1807
01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:09,140
was their missing time basically really

1808
01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:13,640
great story all right so we have about I

1809
01:25:17,850 --> 01:25:15,560
don't know about 20 minutes left

1810
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:17,860
something like that

1811
01:25:26,140 --> 01:25:23,600
what what would you consider most recent

1812
01:25:34,450 --> 01:25:26,150
interesting case that you've looked into

1813
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:34,460
I tend to I tend to not look into more

1814
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:37,760
recent cases not that I won't look into

1815
01:25:42,850 --> 01:25:40,130
them but you know there's really as far

1816
01:25:46,030 --> 01:25:42,860
as lately there's not really anything

1817
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:46,040
that comes to mind as you know say as

1818
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:49,910
far as 2016 2015 and recently newer

1819
01:25:56,830 --> 01:25:53,930
cases although I was just recently

1820
01:25:59,439 --> 01:25:56,840
contacted by someone about an older case

1821
01:26:02,560 --> 01:25:59,449
and you know at this point I've been

1822
01:26:04,209 --> 01:26:02,570
going through you know just so many

1823
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:04,219
Hampshire your little cases for so long

1824
01:26:07,450 --> 01:26:05,960
that you know I tend to when I go

1825
01:26:10,420 --> 01:26:07,460
through you know my notes and my

1826
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:10,430
archives a most cases I've looked

1827
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,070
seeing something about you know a New

1828
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:15,440
Hampshire case even if I'm not ultra I

1829
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:17,930
mean the mall what major cases I'm

1830
01:26:22,420 --> 01:26:19,250
pretty well-versed in but you know

1831
01:26:24,130 --> 01:26:22,430
somebody saw something on a in the sky

1832
01:26:25,690 --> 01:26:24,140
you know the little blurb cases that

1833
01:26:27,490 --> 01:26:25,700
don't have much to research you know I

1834
01:26:29,170 --> 01:26:27,500
have those documented but I don't spend

1835
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:29,180
a lot of time on those and I actually

1836
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,140
had a lady contact me about a case from

1837
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:35,600
the early 90s that's really fascinating

1838
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:37,910
I can tell you a little bit about I'm

1839
01:26:43,690 --> 01:26:40,880
still actually working on it so I don't

1840
01:26:45,580 --> 01:26:43,700
have like a full detailed but it's it's

1841
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:45,590
intriguing nonetheless I can share that

1842
01:26:53,620 --> 01:26:49,970
with you yeah why don't you well early

1843
01:26:56,500 --> 01:26:53,630
90s there was I believe it was 91 there

1844
01:26:59,500 --> 01:26:56,510
was a particular sighting where two or

1845
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,510
three in the morning all sorts of people

1846
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:01,760
from Virginia to Canada or seeing things

1847
01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:05,660
streaked across the sky and so between

1848
01:27:10,900 --> 01:27:08,120
250 and 3 in the morning there was a

1849
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:10,910
bunch of reports of kind of fireballs or

1850
01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:14,090
UFOs or odd looking things so that

1851
01:27:20,290 --> 01:27:17,270
sighting ended up being determined that

1852
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:20,300
it was like a fireball you know that was

1853
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:22,790
seen from Virginia to Maine but about

1854
01:27:27,730 --> 01:27:25,190
six hours later at 9 a.m. in New

1855
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:27,740
Hampshire up in the mountains a

1856
01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:30,190
gentleman was in his house with his

1857
01:27:34,780 --> 01:27:33,380
housekeeper just there and all the

1858
01:27:39,010 --> 01:27:34,790
sudden he spotted something in the sky

1859
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:39,020
and this object was flying almost flying

1860
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:41,630
down the side of the mountain that they

1861
01:27:46,330 --> 01:27:44,210
lived near you know almost along the

1862
01:27:48,370 --> 01:27:46,340
mountain heading towards the bottom of

1863
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:48,380
it and it was leaving this Whiting

1864
01:27:53,650 --> 01:27:50,930
yellow ribbon in his path

1865
01:27:56,650 --> 01:27:53,660
so you know they were watching in there

1866
01:28:00,100 --> 01:27:56,660
I'm right here what is this so the

1867
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:00,110
gentleman sent his housekeeper to go get

1868
01:28:03,550 --> 01:28:01,520
neighbors and get more people because

1869
01:28:05,860 --> 01:28:03,560
they wanted people to other people to

1870
01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:05,870
see it so they went and got a bunch of

1871
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:09,100
other people who also witnessed it and

1872
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:11,570
basically it took about five minutes or

1873
01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:15,110
so to make its descent and then when it

1874
01:28:20,980 --> 01:28:17,020
got towards the bottom of the mountain

1875
01:28:23,950 --> 01:28:20,990
either stopped or landed and stayed in

1876
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:23,960
this spot for about 15 minutes

1877
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:27,050
and then smoke started coming from this

1878
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,780
area and they were able to see blinking

1879
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:31,760
lights and the object itself was like a

1880
01:28:37,660 --> 01:28:35,510
yellow almost sun-like object so the

1881
01:28:41,140 --> 01:28:37,670
object got to the bottom stayed there

1882
01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:41,150
for about 15 minutes and then it was

1883
01:28:48,459 --> 01:28:46,280
gone and so the police were called the

1884
01:28:51,459 --> 01:28:48,469
police didn't see the object but they

1885
01:28:53,650 --> 01:28:51,469
saw the smoke rising from the area and

1886
01:28:56,860 --> 01:28:53,660
the the police took it very seriously so

1887
01:28:59,410 --> 01:28:56,870
they actually sent a plane and a

1888
01:29:03,970 --> 01:28:59,420
helicopter up to the mountain to check

1889
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:03,980
this particular area and this is you

1890
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:06,260
know where things get a bit murky you

1891
01:29:09,370 --> 01:29:07,730
know supposedly they didn't find

1892
01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:09,380
anything when they sent the plane and

1893
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:12,980
the helicopter up but the police chief

1894
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:15,770
at the time who was interviewed about

1895
01:29:22,990 --> 01:29:19,430
this sighting you know even after they

1896
01:29:25,209 --> 01:29:23,000
had sent the the airplane in the air air

1897
01:29:28,420 --> 01:29:25,219
up there to look and there was a few

1898
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:28,430
expeditions I believe by MUFON at the

1899
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,260
time to go up and try and you know see

1900
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,239
if there was anything in the woods even

1901
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:33,920
after all that you know it was funny

1902
01:29:37,690 --> 01:29:35,330
because the police chief and the paper

1903
01:29:38,860 --> 01:29:37,700
was like you know one of these days we

1904
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:38,870
should really go up there with some

1905
01:29:42,910 --> 01:29:40,730
four-wheelers and you know give things a

1906
01:29:46,540 --> 01:29:42,920
more thorough look so you know once

1907
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:46,550
again the police took it really serious

1908
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:48,920
you know they sent the helicopter in the

1909
01:29:54,130 --> 01:29:51,530
plane up there and you know just seemed

1910
01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:54,140
like the the police chief you know still

1911
01:29:57,820 --> 01:29:56,150
wasn't completely satisfied maybe with

1912
01:30:00,760 --> 01:29:57,830
the you know the search or whatnot so

1913
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:00,770
that's a one that I hadn't heard of and

1914
01:30:06,220 --> 01:30:05,300
it you know it just goes to show even

1915
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:06,230
when you've been doing something like

1916
01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:07,730
this for a long time just when you think

1917
01:30:12,610 --> 01:30:10,070
you've heard of every great case in your

1918
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:12,620
particular area or whatever someone can

1919
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:14,810
contact you and just you know tell you

1920
01:30:17,950 --> 01:30:16,489
about something and then boom you find

1921
01:30:20,430 --> 01:30:17,960
out about a case like this which is

1922
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,440
great because there's credible witnesses

1923
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:22,880
you know it's not characteristic of a

1924
01:30:28,750 --> 01:30:26,960
normal aircraft or the media and with

1925
01:30:30,910 --> 01:30:28,760
the smoke and you know all those things

1926
01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:30,920
it's a very compelling case do they

1927
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:33,590
think the object itself was smoking or

1928
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:34,730
did they think it was like a fire

1929
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:37,210
started

1930
01:30:43,260 --> 01:30:41,110
well they were viewing this you know the

1931
01:30:45,660 --> 01:30:43,270
the gentleman is housekeeper the initial

1932
01:30:49,620 --> 01:30:45,670
people they were they were viewing it

1933
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:49,630
from 8 or 9 miles away so it was really

1934
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:51,910
hard for them you know to determine

1935
01:30:55,650 --> 01:30:54,130
exactly what was going on they just

1936
01:30:58,560 --> 01:30:55,660
really did their best to kind of

1937
01:31:01,410 --> 01:30:58,570
describe what they were seeing

1938
01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:01,420
so it was really hard for them you know

1939
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:03,550
they know that smoke was rising but I

1940
01:31:09,570 --> 01:31:07,690
don't believe they saw any fire so yeah

1941
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:09,580
it's a bit murky mm-hmm

1942
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:12,730
now have you looked into the Betty and

1943
01:31:19,650 --> 01:31:16,930
Barney Hill case yourself I have I have

1944
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:19,660
I've done a good amount of research on

1945
01:31:23,459 --> 01:31:21,790
it I tend to you know shy away from I

1946
01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:23,469
mean I definitely talk about it with you

1947
01:31:28,250 --> 01:31:24,280
right now if you like

1948
01:31:30,990 --> 01:31:28,260
I came to shy away from it just because

1949
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,000
you know obviously Kathleen Mardin and

1950
01:31:35,370 --> 01:31:33,040
Stan Freeman you know tell obviously

1951
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,380
talk a lot of Oh Betty and Barney Hill

1952
01:31:39,390 --> 01:31:37,360
and they're the experts on that so I

1953
01:31:41,190 --> 01:31:39,400
feel like they tend to cover you know

1954
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:41,200
most of the ground on that case but I'm

1955
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:43,239
definitely did you have a question about

1956
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:45,310
it well um you know I just wondered if

1957
01:31:51,660 --> 01:31:49,210
you ever looked at the the I can't

1958
01:31:53,250 --> 01:31:51,670
remember his name he's writing kind of

1959
01:31:56,430 --> 01:31:53,260
debunking the whole thing I wondered if

1960
01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:56,440
you've ever looked into that at all are

1961
01:32:02,160 --> 01:31:58,770
you familiar with them is saying the

1962
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:02,170
jack-o'-lantern restaurant and the light

1963
01:32:13,530 --> 01:32:07,090
up on top of the mountain Oh somebody's

1964
01:32:15,450 --> 01:32:13,540
claiming that it was a I have heard that

1965
01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:15,460
I believe I believe there was one person

1966
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:17,230
trying to say it was a light on Cannon

1967
01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:20,800
mouth and yeah I have heard that yeah I

1968
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:23,820
mean I don't you know I mean I

1969
01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:27,760
researched the case thoroughly and yeah

1970
01:32:32,940 --> 01:32:29,620
I don't think that's really feasible I

1971
01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:32,950
mean I'm familiar with the area I spent

1972
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:34,600
a bit of time up there when I was a kid

1973
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:38,380
and yeah it's just it doesn't doesn't

1974
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:40,719
seem like a very feasible explanation

1975
01:32:48,270 --> 01:32:44,110
I asked Stan Friedman when he was on

1976
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:48,280
last week what he had to say about dr.

1977
01:32:57,150 --> 01:32:50,350
Simon saying that he didn't believe

1978
01:32:59,100 --> 01:32:57,160
that the they were actually abducted and

1979
01:33:01,170 --> 01:32:59,110
that was from someone that made a

1980
01:33:04,220 --> 01:33:01,180
personal call a listener to the show to

1981
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:04,230
Simon when he was alive and he said that

1982
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:06,400
Simon was just under a great deal of

1983
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:09,730
pressure and you know he would he did

1984
01:33:16,890 --> 01:33:12,960
stand obviously claimed that he

1985
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:16,900
addressed this in some book how he was

1986
01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:22,000
under such pressure not to agree that

1987
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,760
they were actually abducted for his

1988
01:33:30,750 --> 01:33:26,800
career I don't know if you ever heard

1989
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:30,760
anything about that you know but I mean

1990
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:34,450
I would hide that sounds very possible

1991
01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:36,850
and you know I do know that dr. Simon

1992
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:40,900
was very credible and you know I know

1993
01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:43,060
that you know he he approached it very

1994
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:43,870
seriously

1995
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,250
and you know I mean I've heard the I've

1996
01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:50,800
heard the tapes myself and you know I

1997
01:33:57,660 --> 01:33:55,300
mean Barney Hills uh you know his tape

1998
01:34:00,140 --> 01:33:57,670
is probably one of the more terrifying

1999
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:00,150
things you could ever hear yes really

2000
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:04,690
so you know yeah so I don't know I mean

2001
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:06,250
you know I think that you know with a

2002
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:09,310
case like the whole case there's there's

2003
01:34:14,370 --> 01:34:11,080
always going to be somebody popping up

2004
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:14,380
with a new you know oh you know dr.

2005
01:34:18,270 --> 01:34:16,570
Simon this or yeah there's gonna always

2006
01:34:22,350 --> 01:34:18,280
be new things but you know I think

2007
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:22,360
ultimately it's you know people need to

2008
01:34:26,370 --> 01:34:24,610
have more you know if they're gonna make

2009
01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:26,380
a claim like it's a light on Cannon

2010
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:28,630
Mountain or you know anything like that

2011
01:34:36,630 --> 01:34:34,420
you know they should have a bit more to

2012
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,640
back it up and then just going back and

2013
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:39,040
you know dr. Simon said somewhere in an

2014
01:34:50,370 --> 01:34:48,490
interview you know well I think that the

2015
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:50,380
one thing that really helps that whole

2016
01:34:56,190 --> 01:34:52,930
case a lot is they didn't want to go

2017
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:56,200
public with it it was leaked you know

2018
01:35:04,140 --> 01:34:58,110
and that's that's how the whole thing

2019
01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:08,880
you know happened in 61 and didn't go

2020
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:12,070
public I believe until it was at 66 I

2021
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:14,290
believe 65 66 so there was a whole

2022
01:35:18,150 --> 01:35:17,440
five-year period between when the event

2023
01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:18,160
happened

2024
01:35:22,410 --> 01:35:20,860
and when it actually went public and as

2025
01:35:24,690 --> 01:35:22,420
you said they you know they weren't

2026
01:35:27,420 --> 01:35:24,700
looking to get public with it and also

2027
01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:27,430
on top of that Betty and Barney were

2028
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:30,100
very credible intelligent people in the

2029
01:35:36,710 --> 01:35:33,280
community they both had good jobs they

2030
01:35:39,290 --> 01:35:36,720
were very involved in civil rights so

2031
01:35:42,780 --> 01:35:39,300
you know there were very credible people

2032
01:35:46,230 --> 01:35:42,790
so you know I think they think all of

2033
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:46,240
those things you know oh what make the

2034
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:49,690
case so compelling the fact that it

2035
01:35:53,460 --> 01:35:51,520
didn't go public for five years

2036
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:53,470
and you know they weren't necessarily

2037
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:56,410
looking for publicity on and I think

2038
01:36:00,840 --> 01:35:57,850
that's you know some of the stronger

2039
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:00,850
things about that case yeah yeah and

2040
01:36:06,210 --> 01:36:04,000
it's some landmark it's actually well I

2041
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:06,220
mentioned this to someone before I can't

2042
01:36:12,210 --> 01:36:08,410
remember who it was and said it's like

2043
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:12,220
the first well-known abduction case and

2044
01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:15,450
I guess it was one in that in the 20s

2045
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:19,080
which I was kind of surprised like 1926

2046
01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:21,850
something happened that was very similar

2047
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:24,340
I don't know if you ever heard of

2048
01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:28,510
puppies no where no no no this was

2049
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:31,390
somewhere else but okay you know I

2050
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:32,710
shouldn't really talk about unless I

2051
01:36:35,060 --> 01:36:34,210
have the facts in front of me I really

2052
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:35,070
don't remember

2053
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:40,930
the information on it but anyway it it

2054
01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:44,410
was really the hill case is really one

2055
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:48,390
of the you know foundations of I think

2056
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:52,090
what you hear about a lot and I'm not

2057
01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:55,930
really sure about the abduction thing I

2058
01:37:00,750 --> 01:36:58,150
go back and forth all the time just the

2059
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:00,760
fact that so many people are claiming it

2060
01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:03,130
it's just to me I don't know what's your

2061
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:10,950
abduction I you know I train kind of

2062
01:37:16,230 --> 01:37:12,550
approach things from the center gravity

2063
01:37:17,979 --> 01:37:16,240
so as far as you know abductions I'm

2064
01:37:19,660 --> 01:37:17,989
open-minded but

2065
01:37:21,819 --> 01:37:19,670
skeptical is probably the best way to

2066
01:37:25,149 --> 01:37:21,829
describe my you know my opinion of

2067
01:37:29,859 --> 01:37:25,159
abductions as far as New Hampshire UFO

2068
01:37:31,870 --> 01:37:29,869
research goes I mainly try and focus on

2069
01:37:34,419 --> 01:37:31,880
police and military sightings just

2070
01:37:36,910 --> 01:37:34,429
because I feel like you know when

2071
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:36,920
bringing research to the public and you

2072
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:40,010
know talking about cases I've just found

2073
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:42,170
that um you know cases that involve

2074
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:43,820
credible people like police and military

2075
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:47,360
those seem to carry the most weight you

2076
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:49,010
know when discussing this topic with

2077
01:37:55,060 --> 01:37:52,880
people so while I do document any UFO

2078
01:37:56,799 --> 01:37:55,070
case I come across or abduction in New

2079
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,809
Hampshire's for my records in my

2080
01:38:00,600 --> 01:37:59,119
archives and you know there are others

2081
01:38:02,979 --> 01:38:00,610
that have happened in New Hampshire

2082
01:38:04,779 --> 01:38:02,989
allegedly besides the Betty and Barney

2083
01:38:08,529 --> 01:38:04,789
Hill there's a few other interesting

2084
01:38:10,989 --> 01:38:08,539
ones but so I I have a middle approach

2085
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:10,999
you know middle gravity where I'm open

2086
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,090
minded but I don't spend too much time

2087
01:38:19,029 --> 01:38:17,360
on them because there's only a handful

2088
01:38:20,919 --> 01:38:19,039
that of allegedly happen in New

2089
01:38:25,689 --> 01:38:20,929
Hampshire and you know for reasons that

2090
01:38:27,129 --> 01:38:25,699
I just stated I I just find that um you

2091
01:38:29,140 --> 01:38:27,139
know it's the other thing with police

2092
01:38:30,819 --> 01:38:29,150
and military sightings is there's the

2093
01:38:32,859 --> 01:38:30,829
tends to be documents there's newspaper

2094
01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:32,869
articles there's tangibles that I can

2095
01:38:38,169 --> 01:38:35,300
get ahold of and get information from

2096
01:38:40,839 --> 01:38:38,179
where as a researcher when it comes to

2097
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:40,849
abduction cases the Betty and Barney

2098
01:38:44,350 --> 01:38:42,530
Hill there's an enormous amount of

2099
01:38:46,540 --> 01:38:44,360
information because the Bluebook file is

2100
01:38:48,339 --> 01:38:46,550
I think it's probably I think it's about

2101
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:48,349
like a hundred pages quite a lot of

2102
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,449
stuff in the Blue Book file and then

2103
01:38:55,060 --> 01:38:52,400
obviously there's interrupted journey

2104
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:55,070
there's captured and there's you know a

2105
01:39:00,399 --> 01:38:57,170
lot of other research and information

2106
01:39:02,319 --> 01:39:00,409
about the case out there so that's an

2107
01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:02,329
abduction case that you know can be

2108
01:39:05,589 --> 01:39:04,340
really thoroughly researched as far as

2109
01:39:08,620 --> 01:39:05,599
New Hampshire because there's a lot of

2110
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:08,630
meat there to be looked into whereas

2111
01:39:13,509 --> 01:39:10,489
most of the other ones is not you know

2112
01:39:15,819 --> 01:39:13,519
as much stuff to look into so that's

2113
01:39:19,379 --> 01:39:15,829
pretty much my take on I'm open-minded

2114
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:19,389
but skeptical about abduction mm-hmm

2115
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:23,329
excuse me well I think that's gonna be

2116
01:39:29,140 --> 01:39:26,210
about it for the show this week I know

2117
01:39:31,730 --> 01:39:29,150
we had a lot of trouble and I really

2118
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:31,740
appreciate the list

2119
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:33,690
for hanging in there the live listener

2120
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:35,910
with all the audio trouble hopefully

2121
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:39,300
we'll get that fixed by next next week

2122
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:42,330
so we're I'm really looking forward to

2123
01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:44,250
see your new website when that comes up

2124
01:39:49,690 --> 01:39:47,490
but for now someone can find your blog

2125
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:49,700
can you give that address one more time

2126
01:39:58,460 --> 01:39:54,710
sure sure UFO research dot blog spot.com

2127
01:40:00,260 --> 01:39:58,470
and also I encourage people to go to my

2128
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:00,270
facebook page in the hampshire year for

2129
01:40:06,620 --> 01:40:04,050
research like that i post information

2130
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:06,630
about research i also post regularly

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about space and new aircraft and you

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know all these things that are on the

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periphery of ufos you know things that

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it's good for people to educate

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themselves on whether things of that

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nature so definitely you know go check

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out the facebook and yeah i appreciate

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it thank you for having me online yes

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and hopefully next time you'll be on we

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will not have all these issues well

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that's okay i really appreciate you

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doing it and you know doing it all the

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way from Russia I think you did a great

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job so thank you well yeah well thanks

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now anyway thanks so much and we'll be

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talking to you soon and alright everyone

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so that's it for the show and next week

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we have Arthur Coleman on and so that's